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  • Vaxamine EQ

    Anybody ever give it to their horse? If so, how did it work?

    I noticed an ad for it in the Heartland vet supply catalog.

  • #2
    There's been threads on here before about Vaxamine Eq. It's basically Hops plus some other stuff... (just did a search though and none of the previous threads showed up, guess they got purged when CoTH cleaned up a while back).

    That being said, my trainer uses it on her gelding who has issues with an arthritic neck and it does seem to help, a little bit. I haven't ever used it, so I'm not sure how it works/if it works.
    Proud owner of Gus & Gringo.
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      #3
      Thanks appy, I also did a search but came up with nothing.

      Anybody else have any experiences?

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      • #4
        Bumping this as I have a chronic lame-o. Would like to know too.

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        • #5
          The Horse Journal, Aug 2007 (Vaxamine EQ)

          The Horse Journal did a study on Växamine EQ with a pregnant mare and published the findings in their Aug 2007 issue. Here is what they said for their "Bottom Line"

          Vaxamine EQ piqued our interest for horses battling insulin resistance. Although a bit slow-acting, it warrants further investigation into whether the superior effects we saw with laminitis might actually be due to the known benefits of hops acids on insulin resistance. We used it on a pregnant mare who developed laminitis and had been in pain for two weeks. She had no major rotation. On Vaxamine EQ, she showed an 80% improvement in four days.

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          • #6
            Vaxamine EQ is manufactured by Elara Nutraceuticals, right? I spoke with them a few months ago about it and Paranex. the Vaxamine seemed to be quite expensive and the Paranex I have not been able to find anyone who has actually used it! None of my vets had heard of it. So, I would still like to hear from someone who actually used either product. Appychick is one. Would love to hear from others.

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            • #7
              I have tried Vaxamine. I gave it to two horses for one month. I thought there was a noticeable difference in that both horses felt and looked more comfortable. My very neurotic red-headed TB was also much more relaxed and level-headed.

              The problem with Vaxamine was the cost, so I decided to try saving $ and bought a bunch of bulk hops and experimented with different ways of feeding it. I steeped whole hops flowers in hot water to make a soup and mixed it with the feed. The horses loved it. That seemed to work well but was kind of a pain to do this twice a day. I also ground the flowers in the food processor. This was easier to feed, but I made a huge mess in the kitchen.

              I also tried powdered hops flowers but had problems with the quality. The first batch was good but the next had dirt or something mixed in and I returned it. I have made a large quantity of hops extract but I have not yet used it.

              Interesting about the insulin resistance. I didn't know about that. I did give the hops flower soup to my horse for a few weeks right after she foundered. She improved but she was also getting Banamine.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Elara Nutriceuticals View Post
                The Horse Journal did a study on Växamine EQ with a pregnant mare and published the findings in their Aug 2007 issue. Here is what they said for their "Bottom Line"

                Vaxamine EQ piqued our interest for horses battling insulin resistance. Although a bit slow-acting, it warrants further investigation into whether the superior effects we saw with laminitis might actually be due to the known benefits of hops acids on insulin resistance. We used it on a pregnant mare who developed laminitis and had been in pain for two weeks. She had no major rotation. On Vaxamine EQ, she showed an 80% improvement in four days.
                I totally forgot about the product being used in a trial conducted by The Horse Journal. They actually tested a lot of different products, not just Vaxamine Eq. I think they were comparing different OTC products to their effectiveness of bute (or maybe that was another study The Horse Journal did).

                Anyways, does sound like a nice option if you've got an IR horse, or one with metabolic issues. I'd love to try it... but it's a bit spendy compared to other options.
                Proud owner of Gus & Gringo.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by LarkspurCO View Post
                  I have tried Vaxamine. I gave it to two horses for one month. I thought there was a noticeable difference in that both horses felt and looked more comfortable. My very neurotic red-headed TB was also much more relaxed and level-headed.

                  The problem with Vaxamine was the cost, so I decided to try saving $ and bought a bunch of bulk hops and experimented with different ways of feeding it. I steeped whole hops flowers in hot water to make a soup and mixed it with the feed. The horses loved it. That seemed to work well but was kind of a pain to do this twice a day. I also ground the flowers in the food processor. This was easier to feed, but I made a huge mess in the kitchen.

                  I also tried powdered hops flowers but had problems with the quality. The first batch was good but the next had dirt or something mixed in and I returned it. I have made a large quantity of hops extract but I have not yet used it.

                  Interesting about the insulin resistance. I didn't know about that. I did give the hops flower soup to my horse for a few weeks right after she foundered. She improved but she was also getting Banamine.

                  Do you recall the dosages of hops that you gave? Powder vs grounded flowers? May be worth trying... but I wouldn't have a clue on the amounts to give.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by appychik View Post
                    Do you recall the dosages of hops that you gave? Powder vs grounded flowers? May be worth trying... but I wouldn't have a clue on the amounts to give.

                    That's one of the problems with herbs is knowing the potency.

                    I probably fed about 3 oz per day of powdered hops and maybe two cups of whole steeped flowers. I'd stick with whole flowers. I've had bad luck with powdered.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by LarkspurCO View Post
                      That's one of the problems with herbs is knowing the potency.

                      I probably fed about 3 oz per day of powdered hops and maybe two cups of whole steeped flowers. I'd stick with whole flowers. I've had bad luck with powdered.
                      Thanks. May give it a shot with Gringo, if the BL Pellets don't work out.
                      Proud owner of Gus & Gringo.
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                      • #12
                        !!!Caution!!! Raw Hops & Homemade Extracts

                        We feel it is necessary to caution anyone from using raw hops or homemade extractions of raw hops.

                        Elara Nutriceuticals DOES NOT use hops in Växamine EQ™. We use a highly specific extract from the hops strobile. We have spent a great deal of time and effort to identify the specific plant chemical (phyto-chemical) that acts as an anti-inflammatory by reducing specific enzymes that the body uses to create pro-inflammatory chemicals. We then go through a lengthy process (proprietary & patented) to extract that single phyto-chemical to be used in our products. This is NOT the same thing as a general extract which will extract many if not all of the phyto-chemicals from the plant leaving you with a solution that contains chemicals which can be harmful to your animal. I repeat…there are several chemicals in hops that you DO NOT want to feed your animal.

                        Because we are a nutriceutical company we have to follow strict guidelines in the manufacturing and packaging of our products. We are accountable to the FDA, FTC, USDA and others to insure that the ingredients and the processes that we use meet the highest standards. When you buy raw hops you can’t be sure if they have been prepared according to government standards. You really have no idea what the quality is or what may be in that hops that can be dangerous to your animal’s health. As an example to this is the earlier post that states “The first batch was good but the next had dirt or something mixed in…”.

                        Your animal’s health and safety is our first priority.

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                        • #13
                          Now all you need are the randomized, double-blind, controlled studies.
                          Click here before you buy.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Elara Nutriceuticals View Post
                            We feel it is necessary to caution anyone from using raw hops or homemade extractions of raw hops.

                            Elara Nutriceuticals DOES NOT use hops in Växamine EQ™. We use a highly specific extract from the hops strobile. We have spent a great deal of time and effort to identify the specific plant chemical (phyto-chemical) that acts as an anti-inflammatory by reducing specific enzymes that the body uses to create pro-inflammatory chemicals. We then go through a lengthy process (proprietary & patented) to extract that single phyto-chemical to be used in our products. This is NOT the same thing as a general extract which will extract many if not all of the phyto-chemicals from the plant leaving you with a solution that contains chemicals which can be harmful to your animal. I repeat…there are several chemicals in hops that you DO NOT want to feed your animal.
                            Thank you for the information. Which chemicals specifically are of concern? And is the warning based on known or unknown side-effects in horses?

                            You really have no idea what the quality is or what may be in that hops that can be dangerous to your animal’s health. As an example to this is the earlier post that states “The first batch was good but the next had dirt or something mixed in…”.
                            That is certainly true, and it is true of any herb. It's why I sent the powdered stuff back and would only use the whole flowers myself.

                            While we have you on the line, I'd like to suggest you manufacture Vaxamine in a more horse-friendly formula. My horses refuse to eat the pills and I found it a rather a PITA to have to crush them up by hand. It would be much easier to have it in a powdered or granulated form with a scoop, or a liquid with measuring dispenser.

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                            • #15
                              i have a friend that has used Vax Eq on several older horses and dogs with musculoskeletal issues. she says it made a world of difference on all the animals. she also uses the human form. i am going to order it for an older retired horse of mine that has documented fetlock damage. i'll let you know the results in a few weeks. i am even going to have my vet in on the testing...

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                              • #16
                                I thought that the nutriceuticle industry was unregulated and thus not held accountable for quality contol. The Horse had an article on this a while back which said that often the adveritsed amounts of ingriedients are not valid,and that the processing can leave harmful chemicals. There is also no scientific data that oral supplements help horses.

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                                • #17
                                  I saw their ad last night in the Heartland catalog. It says they are wafers that can be crumbled. So, are they wafers or pills or are the wafers new?
                                  "The sea was angry that day, my friends - like an old man trying to send back soup in a deli"

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                                  • #18
                                    The compliance of nutraceutical manufacturers is VOLUNTARY. Doesn't mean a good, conscientious company doesn't comply, but they're not required to do so other than general safe manufacturing practice, etc. But the lack of requirement of proof of efficacy is the biggest problem, IMO.
                                    Click here before you buy.

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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by NJRider View Post
                                      I saw their ad last night in the Heartland catalog. It says they are wafers that can be crumbled. So, are they wafers or pills or are the wafers new?
                                      They are large wafers, dense and shaped like pills. I found crumbling 7 or 8 at a time was tedious and hard on the fingertips.

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                                      • #20
                                        Hops contains 2 compounds that can be toxic to dogs and horses.

                                        2-methyl-3-butene-2-ol is a well documented sedative, and Lupuline is chemically related to THC.

                                        We don't use either of these in our formulas.
                                        Last edited by Elara Nutriceuticals; Mar. 7, 2009, 03:59 PM.

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