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Of course she's allergic to pine and all straw. Hemp? Flax? Discuss :)

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  • Of course she's allergic to pine and all straw. Hemp? Flax? Discuss :)

    Paper and cardboard are out. She is far too much of a pig and I deep bed so it's just just disaster. BTDT

    Peat moss is not up for discussion either because I know how much goes up my tiny human snout when I use it in the garden. No way would I allow my horse inhale that crap every day.

    That pretty much leaves the choice of flax or hemp. Which have you used? Which is better for a horse that buries her shit like it's golden treasure so that top3-4" of bedding need to be fully sifted 1-2x/day? What did you like/dislike about the bedding you tried?

    Hmm, I suppose it also leaves sand, but we don't have great sand handling equipment/facilities even though the barn is fully drained so suitable for sand. And, well, I'm getting wise (old) enough to know that I don't want t handle it manually.

  • sascha
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    Switching to flax this weekend so we'll see how that goes in her stall.

    I think I will still search for hemp for the trailer, but that might take a while since the local feed store that used to carry it doesn't have it any more. Meanwhile, of course my trailer just had abnice fresh deep bed of shavings put into it before the allergy testing. LoL At least there's someone in my barn who is going to buy my half pallet of pine pellets from me. Saving grace and small mercies and all that.

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  • DancingArabian
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    Have you tried corn cob pellets? They work the same as regular pelleted bedding. You can buy it at tractor supply.

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  • DoubleDown
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    I'm in the PNW and I buy fir shavings for the farm store I work for. While we don't sell as many of them as pine, they do hold their own.

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  • Horseychick87
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    I liked flax, I didn't find it to be as absorbent as pine shavings or pellets, but it worked well.

    I haven't tried hemp, but have heard good things about it.

    What about Kenaf? Could your mare use that?
    http://www.threewillowsfarm.com/bedding.htm

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  • sk_pacer
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    R. E: canola straw. I dunno if I would call that exactly straw - if it doesn't go through a rotary combine, it is pretty much sticks and completely non-absorbent and what comes through a rotary combine is greasy powdery bits that are nearly as itchy as canary seed leavings. If you can get whole flax straw, that is a better option although the fibres do not break down very well and have to be burnt after the outer stem is gone and that takes at least a year. The inner part is soft, absorbent and easy to clean.

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  • sascha
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    Gotchya. It is the product I was thinking of, thanks for the reminder to give it a try.

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  • LookmaNohands
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    Originally posted by sascha View Post
    Excellent idea. Where do you get your colostrum?
    I get it from my vet. It is fresh frozen bovine colostrum. I am also taking some that is freeze dried and from New Zealand but it is more expensive than the other.

    Do a search.

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  • sascha
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    Originally posted by LookmaNohands View Post
    Allergy shots work!!

    Also, try colostrum to build her immune system.
    Excellent idea. Where do you get your colostrum?

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  • LookmaNohands
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    Allergy shots work!!

    Also, try colostrum to build her immune system.

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  • lorilu
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    Some folks around here use peanut hulls - but that is a pretty regional product.

    WHy not just sand, as someone mentioned? I would put a mat down under her hay, but otherwise it's easy, clean, and soft if maintained.

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  • sascha
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    Originally posted by Quelah View Post
    What about fir shavings? I hate them, vastly preferring pine myself, but out here (California) there is at least one major brand (Mallard Creek) that is fir. Doug fir being a primary lumber used in construction and all.

    I wish wish wish we had the bedding here in the States that they have in the UK. I got to use this stuff when we were competing in England a couple of years ago and I freaking LOVED IT!

    http://www.sundownproducts.co.uk/equ...downyellow.asp

    Sand colic in California is a real problem BTW. I don't know how it isn't a problem in other parts of the country where it's common to bed/board on sand. I've scrubbed in when they're cutting a colic that's full of sand, and I've listened with a stethoscope to a gut full of sand. It sounds a bit like the ocean, the sound of the sand moving in the intestines.
    Hmm, I don't know what happens to canola straw in my part of the world, but it might be worth looking into. One would think, like flax, and hemp, that it would be less tasty to the nasty little mites. Mustard type plants didn't show up in her profile so we might be good to go with that.

    I haven't heard of fir shavings around here either. We're a pine sort of a place.

    And, whoever mentioned fencing, I might need to revisit a grazing muzzle for the winter. She leaves fences alone in the summer, but has been known to beaver the ash boards (yes, allergic to ash and we have plenty of that around) in the winter. Ash. Pine. My area simply crawls with them both. Hence, the allergy shots. Even if I could remove every last allergen from her environment, there'd still be pollen. Lots, and lots of pollen.

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  • sascha
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    Originally posted by fallenupright View Post
    I know this isn't your question, but I had VAST improvement with a mare who was allergic to "everything" with allergy shots. So much so that she is virtually free of symptoms these days, even though she is exposed to quite a few of her allergens daily.

    If you want more information I'm happy to share. I know how much a pain allergies can be. Ignore if you are not interested or already know about the option.
    Allergy shots are part of the plan! but, before we build up her tolerance, I'd like to make her more comfortable before things get worse. I can't change everything on her list, but sleeping on her highest level allergens is definitely something I can do.

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  • GallopHer
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    As a previous poster mentioned, have you discussed allergy shots with your vet? That might be your best alternative.

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  • Scribbler
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    Here in the PNW we have a choice between pure pine shavings, and a "mixed whitewood" shavings that is spruce, pine, fir. I stopped using pure pine when I realized my horse was eating them up: yummm, tastes just like the fence! I don't know what per cent of the mixed shavings are pine. Perhaps you could find a sawmill that is processing spruce, fir, cypress or maple in separate lots from pine?

    We also use cedar "hog fuel" for run-out paddock footing. Depending on the load, hog fuel can be as fine as bedding shavings, or full of big sticks and chunks of bark. I don't see any reason why you couldn't use hog fuel as a stall bedding, other than that it is heavier to work with. At our barn we have a rule against using it as stall bedding because otherwise the barn would have to pay for it, and we each buy our own bagged bedding. But the horses have no adverse reaction to standing and sleeping on it in the run-outs.

    There is also this recycled product that I've seen in use. They can't guarantee what wood is actually in the product, but it is so heavily steamed and cleaned that I would expect any residual pine oil to be long gone.

    https://www.horsejournals.com/greens...-horse-bedding

    https://www.gsabedding.org/gsa-plant-sales/

    I believe they are expanding to the USA.

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  • Brian
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    Originally posted by sascha View Post
    Yes. She has been tested and is allergic to pine and storage mites, a bunch of hardwoods, certain weeds, orchard grass (praise the baby jesus she's not allergic to alfalfa!), and mosquitoes.

    Storage mites are not fond of pine. They are fond of cereals. I'm also supposed to make sure the feed room is well swept of any dropped grain, etc.

    Did you deep bed or just use a little bit of flax?
    We bed fairly thin...1-2 inches. I'm not overly fond of "digging for potatoes" when stall cleaning.

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  • knic13
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    Originally posted by Mosey_2003 View Post
    Never heard of anyone getting mycotoxin poisoning from using corn cob bedding, I really liked it.

    Shredded newspaper a possibility?
    Mycotoxins can be present in the cob and stalk, but most horses wouldn't consume enough of either to have a problem (assuming mycotoxins were even present) if supplied adequate hay.

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  • Quelah
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    What about fir shavings? I hate them, vastly preferring pine myself, but out here (California) there is at least one major brand (Mallard Creek) that is fir. Doug fir being a primary lumber used in construction and all.

    I wish wish wish we had the bedding here in the States that they have in the UK. I got to use this stuff when we were competing in England a couple of years ago and I freaking LOVED IT!

    http://www.sundownproducts.co.uk/equ...downyellow.asp

    Sand colic in California is a real problem BTW. I don't know how it isn't a problem in other parts of the country where it's common to bed/board on sand. I've scrubbed in when they're cutting a colic that's full of sand, and I've listened with a stethoscope to a gut full of sand. It sounds a bit like the ocean, the sound of the sand moving in the intestines.

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  • sk_pacer
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    I second the peat moss - makes good bedding although the horse can look a tad dull coated but that brushes off easily. Have used it for horses that thought straw and even shavings were tasty treats and it also makes a good stall for standing a horse on damp before shoeing.

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  • rainpants
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    I know this isn't your question, but I had VAST improvement with a mare who was allergic to "everything" with allergy shots. So much so that she is virtually free of symptoms these days, even though she is exposed to quite a few of her allergens daily.

    If you want more information I'm happy to share. I know how much a pain allergies can be. Ignore if you are not interested or already know about the option.

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