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Of course she's allergic to pine and all straw. Hemp? Flax? Discuss :)

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  • Of course she's allergic to pine and all straw. Hemp? Flax? Discuss :)

    Paper and cardboard are out. She is far too much of a pig and I deep bed so it's just just disaster. BTDT

    Peat moss is not up for discussion either because I know how much goes up my tiny human snout when I use it in the garden. No way would I allow my horse inhale that crap every day.

    That pretty much leaves the choice of flax or hemp. Which have you used? Which is better for a horse that buries her shit like it's golden treasure so that top3-4" of bedding need to be fully sifted 1-2x/day? What did you like/dislike about the bedding you tried?

    Hmm, I suppose it also leaves sand, but we don't have great sand handling equipment/facilities even though the barn is fully drained so suitable for sand. And, well, I'm getting wise (old) enough to know that I don't want t handle it manually.
    Ahhhh, spring is here. The birds are singing, the trees are budding and the paddocks are making their annual transformation from cake mix to cookie dough.

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    I've heard of people wetting down peat moss for a deep bed, and say it really works well and keeps the dust down. I have not tried it myself.

    Can you find a local sawmill with hardwood sawdust? Of course you'll have to make sure there's no black walnut in it. Is she allergic to ALL types of straw? Most common is wheat, but there's oat, barley, and probably some others. I think I've also seen some sort of ground corn cob bedding. When I was a kid, a farm used a peanut hull bedding. It worked well and wasn't dusty, from what I can remember.

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    • #3
      A farm near me uses rice hulls. I thought they were kind of nice. Not sure where you would get them but it might be worth investigating.

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        All the other straws, including bean/peanut, are out out. It's the tastiness of the cereals and beans that attract the storage mite which are the actual allergens for her

        Not sure about the tastines of rice, but also not sure if I'd be able to find it here.
        Ahhhh, spring is here. The birds are singing, the trees are budding and the paddocks are making their annual transformation from cake mix to cookie dough.

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          Hardwoods - also out, she's allergic to a couple of our predominant local trees. Of COURSE she is, damn it.
          Ahhhh, spring is here. The birds are singing, the trees are budding and the paddocks are making their annual transformation from cake mix to cookie dough.

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          • #6
            Corn cob bedding?

            http://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/pro...-horse-bedding

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            • #7
              what about 24/7 turnout- that usually is a big plus for horses with allergy issues
              Last edited by tabula rashah; Apr. 25, 2016, 08:55 AM.
              "Traditions are basically just peer pressure from dead people"

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              • #8
                Flax bedding is nice, if you deep bed and clean often. (Mine are in rarely and have mats, I tend to bed lightly). It turns into weird fluffy balls and is slippery in my situation, but it is quite when nice deep bedded and mucked daily... it looks nice, has no smell, not dusty and is absorbent.

                Not much more expensive than shavings, when bought by the pallet (compared to bagged shavings).

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                • #9
                  Suck it up and bed in her hay? Or does her allergy force you to find an alternative for hay, too? I saw that done in Southern Pines-the farm made their own Coastal Bermuda, and had so much of it that it was cheaper to use it than find other bedding.

                  I hope she's not allergic to flies as well-that would be tough.

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                    I think I'll explore other avenues befor bedding her in hay. Besides, yeah, gotta be careful not to be her in orchard grass. Bah! Flies, no, mosquitoes apparently yes, but I had no inkling , because I keep her well marinated in fly spray during the summer. Dermatologist said to just carry on with that.

                    24/7 t/o is not an option. A. Because the dermatologist thinks it best to limit her exposure to environmental crap during harvest and pollen seasons. B. Because she is a show horse and needs her stall time to nap. Seriously, she gets quite peeved when her nap time is ruined. She even takes a few weeks to adjust from half day winter turnout to all day summer turnout despite LOVING being outside. She's a precious princess. Gah.

                    Corn is out for the same reason as cereal and bean straws. Plus, I'm not a big fan of potential mycotoxin poisoning, thx.

                    Thanks for the flax review!

                    Anyone use hemp?
                    Ahhhh, spring is here. The birds are singing, the trees are budding and the paddocks are making their annual transformation from cake mix to cookie dough.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by sascha View Post
                      All the other straws, including bean/peanut, are out out. It's the tastiness of the cereals and beans that attract the storage mite which are the actual allergens for her

                      Not sure about the tastines of rice, but also not sure if I'd be able to find it here.
                      Don't mean to ask a dumb question here, but, are you certain the depth of the bedding is not a contributor to the presence of storage mites as opposed to the actual type of bedding?

                      FWIW, we had the opportunity to test some flax bedding recently. We weren't impressed at all with how well it absorbed moisture.
                      "It were not best that we should all think alike; it is difference of opinion that makes horse races."

                      Mark Twain

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Brian View Post
                        FWIW, we had the opportunity to test some flax bedding recently. We weren't impressed at all with how well it absorbed moisture.
                        I tried rice hull bedding a few years ago - ZERO moisture absorption - it is kind of slippery too.

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                        • #13
                          Do you actually have these alternative beddings available to you? Flax and rice hulls and other "weird" stuff is often super regional.

                          Cow people use bedding lime which might be worth investigating?

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                          • #14
                            Sand doesn't really require any daily removal/ replacement, you just pick the poop out and leave the pee spots to drain. The pee can take a long time to drain so a lot of people will put something else on the pee spot.

                            Roughly a billion horses (ok maybe slight exaggeration) live on sand in CA. There are some drawbacks: hock rubs are fairly common with coarser sand, sand is sometimes blamed for colic, although most horses don't colic, and its not actually absorbent. Most horses in CA are on at least 12x24 sand stalls so the pee thing is not as big a deal as it would be in 12x12.

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                              Originally posted by Brian View Post
                              Don't mean to ask a dumb question here, but, are you certain the depth of the bedding is not a contributor to the presence of storage mites as opposed to the actual type of bedding?

                              FWIW, we had the opportunity to test some flax bedding recently. We weren't impressed at all with how well it absorbed moisture.
                              Yes. She has been tested and is allergic to pine and storage mites, a bunch of hardwoods, certain weeds, orchard grass (praise the baby jesus she's not allergic to alfalfa!), and mosquitoes.

                              Storage mites are not fond of pine. They are fond of cereals. I'm also supposed to make sure the feed room is well swept of any dropped grain, etc.

                              Did you deep bed or just use a little bit of flax?
                              Ahhhh, spring is here. The birds are singing, the trees are budding and the paddocks are making their annual transformation from cake mix to cookie dough.

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                                Originally posted by Simkie View Post
                                Do you actually have these alternative beddings available to you? Flax and rice hulls and other "weird" stuff is often super regional.

                                Cow people use bedding lime which might be worth investigating?
                                Rice hulls, not so much. Yes, to both flax and hemp.

                                I wouldn't bed a cow on just plain bedding lime. Folks that sell that sort of product don't bother to read and follow bedding research and hope their clientele also choose to remain just as ignorant
                                Ahhhh, spring is here. The birds are singing, the trees are budding and the paddocks are making their annual transformation from cake mix to cookie dough.

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                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by snowrider View Post
                                  Sand doesn't really require any daily removal/ replacement, you just pick the poop out and leave the pee spots to drain. The pee can take a long time to drain so a lot of people will put something else on the pee spot.

                                  Roughly a billion horses (ok maybe slight exaggeration) live on sand in CA. There are some drawbacks: hock rubs are fairly common with coarser sand, sand is sometimes blamed for colic, although most horses don't colic, and its not actually absorbent. Most horses in CA are on at least 12x24 sand stalls so the pee thing is not as big a deal as it would be in 12x12.
                                  Sadly, we're 12x12 or a bit smaller. And she's a stall pee-er. Why pee in the field when you can wait to come in and pee a whole day's worth in a nice clean stall? lol If she didn't shift her bedding so much, I'd be tempted to take her mats out to improve drainage, lay a few inches of sand over her bricks, and then a couple of inches of soft bedding on top. However, Miss Arthur Murray appears to often give dance classes in her stall over night so we all know how that would turn out. lol
                                  Ahhhh, spring is here. The birds are singing, the trees are budding and the paddocks are making their annual transformation from cake mix to cookie dough.

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                                  • #18
                                    I tried the flax bedding also and liked it for my situation. I would still be using it but it is inconvenient to pick up from the distributor here. The horse I tried it on is not a stall walker though and my horses are out the majority of the day. It was a bit slick but my horse had no issues with this.

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                                    • #19
                                      Never heard of anyone getting mycotoxin poisoning from using corn cob bedding, I really liked it.

                                      Shredded newspaper a possibility?
                                      It's a small world -- unless you gotta walk home.

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                                      • #20
                                        I know this isn't your question, but I had VAST improvement with a mare who was allergic to "everything" with allergy shots. So much so that she is virtually free of symptoms these days, even though she is exposed to quite a few of her allergens daily.

                                        If you want more information I'm happy to share. I know how much a pain allergies can be. Ignore if you are not interested or already know about the option.

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