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    Last edited by sassy45; Jan. 19, 2016, 10:17 PM.

  • #2
    Yours too? I started mine on the HP powder a while back and they still think it's toxic waste. What has worked for me is to wet the alfalfa pellets first, let them soak for several minutes so they break down, then mix in the powder-- it seems to stick better to the puffed up alfalfa pellets that way and they can't sift it out as easily. They eat it... begrudgingly!

    Don't think my method will work with the High Point pellets, though. Maybe you could try the "tough love" approach and just give him the HP pellets for a few meals (no timothy) until he decides it's edible. That is, if he isn't dependent on the timothy.
    Don't fall for a girl who fell for a horse just to be number two in her world... ~EFO

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    • #3
      Uckele sells flavors that don't have sugar if you are having that hard of a time.

      I would also suggest buying hay that is mostly stalk/stem and mature-very mature to give him something to nibble on for entertainment.

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      • #4
        I agree that horses are probably put off by the smell. It's quite strong. Mine did get used to it, they just don't like it. Every meal they go to dive into their pans, pause when the smell hits them, then half-heartedly begin eating. It's too expensive for horses to be wasting it, especially the pellets!
        Don't fall for a girl who fell for a horse just to be number two in her world... ~EFO

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        • #5
          Not sure why you asked for help if you are going to let him keep stuffing his face until he founders anyway. A horse needs consistent forage not an over abundance of highly nutritious forage to produce heat in the gut. A little shivering (not hypothermia) to keep warm would help him shed pounds as well.

          This is your horse, not ours, and it's your responsibility to maintain a healthy weight of the animal. We are just here to offer help; if you are going to just complain that your horse is eating the hay nets and won't touch the HPG pellets and now you want a different solution to you horse's weight gain problem-- there isn't one.

          IR/Cushings horses need slow consistent access to low NSC forage to prevent blood sugar spikes. They need to have their "chew" urge satisfied. And they shouldn't get too much of the wrong nutrients. If they are fat, they should be fed at "ideal" weight and shouldn't be allowed to gorge. Stemmy mature hay would slow him down and satisfy his "chew" urge. You have to practice tough love for the health of your horse. If he doesn't want to eat hay, don't give him another option besides his HPG pellets. He'll realize that's all he's getting and give up and eat it. If he's really as fat as you say he is, missing a few meals won't hurt.

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          • #6
            I've always fed any powdered supplements as part of a wet mash.

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            • #7
              Will try to be helpful.

              I agree that you should look for more moderate quality hay. Something that went a little bit mature and is on the stemmy side, but not moldy, dusty, etc. So they have something to chew on, but not lush leafy stuff.

              I add Triple Crown Lite - at the rate of 2-3 lbs for a mature horse and 1 lb for anything under 1000 lbs. No problems with palatability, and it's designed for the fatties.

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              • #8
                There were a list of vitamin/mineral supplements in the old thread, weren't there?

                How about you stop feeding the HPG pellets if he is going to miss meds and just mix the Thyro-L with the wet Timothy pellets? If not, just syringe it in his mouth.

                As for a replacement V/M, try a smartpak one, or barn bag, accel (or accel lifetime), and so many others. Check ingredients and make an informed decision based on what you know about your horse.

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                • #9
                  Just leaving something in a pan for 24 hours usually doesn't entice a horse to eat it. But if you keep offering it to him at every meal time (and taking it away if he doesn't eat it), eventually he may realize this the only thing on the menu.

                  I obviously missed this "other thread," so I don't know the whole situation here.
                  Don't fall for a girl who fell for a horse just to be number two in her world... ~EFO

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                  • #10
                    Both of mine have been on the meal form since November, 2014.

                    I have never had an issue with either horse. I divide the 3 ounces into two feedings, add it with a couple other supplements to two cups of Timothy pellets, mix with water and they lick their feed pans clean.

                    Some horses really like anise. You can buy anise extract in the grocery store spice department. Just add one or two drops at the most and see if that helps.

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                    • #11
                      You need to dose the Thyro-L.

                      What I do if I need to dose a smallish amount of a powdered medication:


                      1- Cut the end off of an appropriately sized syringe.
                      2- Pull plunger waaayyy back
                      3- Add powder
                      4- Add thick applesauce, no sugar applesauce, or soaked alfalfa/Timothy to make a bit of a plug so the powder doesn't pour right out as I carry it to the barn and try to stuff it into a face.
                      5- Dose.

                      As much as I love the company and the idea of the product I gave up on HPG due to palatibilty issues.

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                      • #12
                        My gelding with Cushing's (but not IR) has become an increasingly picky eater over the years.

                        I've never tried the High Point pellets but he ate the powder mixed with soaked hay pellets for a couple of years before he decided he was done with it.

                        I ended up switching him to a RB. He gets LMF Super Supplement (grass) and seems to like it pretty well.

                        Right now I'm trying to get him to eat SmartPituitary which also has a VERY strong smell. He will usually, but not always depending on his mood, eat it when mixed with Triple Crown Sr.

                        Is there another feed store in your area that could order Triple Crown for you? Which product are you trying to get?

                        As far as the hay nets go, you might try the Nibble Net Extreme. I've had two in my horses' outdoor shelter for well over a year with no major damage (so far they've only ripped out the nylon strap that holds one of the bottom corner rings on). My mare is a pretty aggressive eater and basically attacks that net and still hasn't done any damage to the webbing or the bag itself.

                        I have the 2" holes because I thought the smaller holes might upset my mare too much We had to take the Porta-Grazer away from her because she would bash it against the gate when it was empty. Loudly. For hours...

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                        • #13
                          I recently switched my 2 fatties over to HPG powder and they both eat it no problem. ??? Like one of the other posters, I soaked the pellets while I'm working them, they're all nice and fluffy....add the supplements and a bit more water....stir...and voila!! Honestly, with as obese as your boy is, I'd say not having the timothy pellets or the vitamins for a month isn't going to kill him. (I'm sure the nutrition police will hate me for that, lol!) Syringe the Thyroid-L in and re-visit the multi-vit in a month. He may be ready to comply by then, especially if you can ration his hay better and even exercise him a bit more.

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                          • #14
                            None of the vite pellets are very palatable IME. I have had issues getting horses to eat the Uckele and Smartpak ones too.

                            One of the reasons I switched to TC 30%, honestly. Still pretty small amount but horses actually eat it.

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                            • #15
                              He's not eating what you offer because he is gorging on hay.

                              He's still sore because he's gorging on hay and expanding.

                              Have you bothered to speak to your vet about all of this?

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                              • #16
                                Sometimes peppermint extract can entice them to eat. No sugar in it and a drop or two in a warm mash makes everything palatable.

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                                • #17
                                  I'm impressed you believe your judgement is better than your vet's, that is what he went to school for. You can tell yourself whatever you want about his feet but your first post said he maxed out the weight tape and now you say he's expanding still and you don't/won't believe it has anything to do with his free access to hay. You are blaming the HPG for not being able to get the meds in him... That is what a syringe is for.

                                  If you are more concerned about your fuzzy-wumpkins being a little cold than you are about his coffin bones penetrating through the soles of his hooves, your sight is clearly skewed. If he is still tender, having episodes of digital pulse and hot feet, he could be rotating right now. This isn't a matter of having an allergic reaction, having a laminitic episode and then getting over it (without having to change anything). It sounds much more out of control, especially since you can't/won't control his forage intake.

                                  There have been plenty of good suggestions on how to get everything in him, trash the HPG pellets and try one of the other supplements suggested on the other post. If he won't eat any pellets, he doesn't need them. You are syringing the essentials so he will be fine with his 22lbs of hay. The more dry it is, the more volume he gets per lb. The more mature it ism the less he is going to Hoover it and will instead pick through it and slow down. He'll learn not to poop in his hay. Assuming his longest time between feelings is from night to morning I would do 10, 6, and 6. Meaning, 10lbs overnight, 6lbs in the AM and 6lbs at lunch.

                                  His 10x10 pen is much too small. I would put the panels in a corner and make it a 20x20 at least or 30x10 so that he has more room to move and have his hay separated in bags along the fence. It will encourage him to move around and burn some calories.

                                  Ideally I would pick up some electrical fencing and pen him up with a zig-zag pattern so he has to move around the "maze" to get to hay, water, and shelter. Multiple hay bags spread out in his maze for each meal will encourage a natural grazing pattern.

                                  Doing nothing will only make his condition worse.

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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by sassy45
                                    No heat,no digital pulse,so not laminitis.ground frozen so no putting in post.He gets his pergolide,thats it.

                                    Never said I know more then vet..22lbs of hay seems skimpy. They eat that much in one night.

                                    Two year old hay brown and weedy. Yeah he maxs out weight tape.
                                    22 lbs really isn't that skimpy. That's about all my horses get per day and they're both good sized horses. Better he feel a little hungry than die from founder.

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                                    • #19
                                      OP you've been given a lot of suggestions and you shoot down every single one. I guess we can't help you.

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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by sassy45

                                        I rationed his hay last winter he gains weight any way, did the weigh it out every day made no stinken difference.
                                        What is the NSC content of the hay? Coarse, weedy hay can still be high in sugars. You can ONLY feed that much hay to an IR horse if it is tested and low in NSC.
                                        Google some pictures of Icelandic, Norwegian Fiords, and mongolian horses in their native, natural habitat. It's -40, no shelter and nothing but dead, very low NSC sparse grass to eat for 8-9 months. They do fine.
                                        http://www.wunderground.com/wximage/vikingman/169


                                        Your horse is sore footed, obese and not fine.
                                        You say your horse is cold. Does he have shelter from the wind and a place to keep dry? Is he shivering?
                                        Are you feeding your horse like a cow? www.safergrass.org

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