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    "All white feet have bruises."

    Anyone ever heard that before? I haven't. Said to me by the farrier, when discussing the bruise on horse's white foot (horse I posted about earlier, in hoof turned out, cow hock post), as he was trying to say why how/why my horse's leg was twisted outward, more cow hocked than ever, foot was warped to the outside. I'd just explained how when walking behind the horse, the leg was swinging outwards towards the flare, opposite of tight rope walking (like when inside wall too long). He said maybe because the horse could be fat??

    If the white foot/bruise story was true, there would be 8 bruised feet spread over four horses here with white legs. He only shoes two horses here. Each has a bruise on a white foot. Horse above has four white feet, but he's only making a bruise on one. Bit tongue hard to keep from saying, yes, the white foot would be bruised if the foot is trimmed unbalanced/level and there is flare pulling the wall. He wondered if maybe the horse was too fat, and that was why the foot was like that, heels low, toes long. I did not know that fat horses make their heels low, toes long and flare on one bruised foot.

    We walked behind the horse and said something a little weird on this foot. For some reason outside portion of the foot is larger and flaring outwards than what we can see on the inside? See how it is flaring outwards and hoof is turned outwards? Maybe that is causing the bruise? Horse wasn't like that then younger, leg was facing forwards. See how the inside wall is much straighter, outside is at angle? He said the horse was just built like that. Must be fat. (no, it's not. can feel ribs).

    He shod the horse. That hind foot is no longer turned out nearly as much. Viewing from the rear, its more even on both sides. And the horse is moving the leg much straighter, not wasting motion on the unblanced foot swinging outwards, opposite tight rope walk. He listened to the vet! I thanked him for seeing what the vet said and what I was talking about, and for fixing it. He got defensive, didn't know what I was talking about.

    Looking for a new farrier who knows difference between balance/unbalanced on their own and with vet guidance, and can trim balanced.
    Last edited by Color of Light; Sep. 5, 2015, 10:11 PM. Reason: to separate last sentence so its visible

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    Ask him to show you what bruising on dark hooves looks like. I'm curious what he will say.

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      #3
      Originally posted by DancingArabian View Post
      Ask him to show you what bruising on dark hooves looks like. I'm curious what he will say.
      I've seen bruising (purple) on a dark hoofs before. Me thinks if he thinks all whites have bruises, then he could not tell if foot is unbalanced and there is bruising on dark feet or any other color, either.

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        #4
        Your farrier is an idiot. If you can see all the trimming defects in your horses feet, why do you continue with this farrier?

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          Originally posted by Kat the Horse View Post
          Your farrier is an idiot. If you can see all the trimming defects in your horses feet, why do you continue with this farrier?
          Clearly.
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          || My last sentence above. |

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            As a side note, bruising you see at the bottom of the foot, has occured previously and grown down the foot. The bottom of the hoof wall doesn't have a blood supply to bruise. The farrier is not the only cause of these bruises. Abcesses and interference are common causes that can be independent of the farrier. I'm not saying your farrier isn't the cause, just branching off this topic. Could he also been joking? We often tell clients of light gray horses, that "only white horses bleed" from shots. Of course we don't believe that; it's just something to say while we get the peroxide out to prevent a stain.

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              #7
              Never ever have I heard that. From 2 very competent and board certified vets and from 2 very competent farriers. And I have a total of 6 1/2 white hooves on 2 horses (for up to 15 yrs of white hooves.)

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                #8
                All hooves can"bruise."

                G.
                Mangalarga Marchador: Uma Raa, Uma Paixo

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                  #9
                  Any time a statement contains "all" or "never," you will always find someone who will contradict it. Snarkily.

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                    #10
                    I have one right now with 2 hind white feet that have bruising. When I asked my last farrier about it, HE said, "All horses bruise, it's just that you can see it on the white feet.".

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                      ^ Yep, that is the way I heard it to.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by flyracing View Post
                        As a side note, bruising you see at the bottom of the foot, has occured previously and grown down the foot. The bottom of the hoof wall doesn't have a blood supply to bruise. The farrier is not the only cause of these bruises. Abcesses and interference are common causes that can be independent of the farrier. I'm not saying your farrier isn't the cause, just branching off this topic. Could he also been joking? We often tell clients of light gray horses, that "only white horses bleed" from shots. Of course we don't believe that; it's just something to say while we get the peroxide out to prevent a stain.
                        Thank you. Classic bruise on outside from flare including slight dish. Not joking. He was dead serious that all white feet have bruises. Just as he was trying say the horse was just built like that, fat must be cause of low heel long toes. See plenty of obese horses with heel and toes good. Horse isn't fat anyway. So I pulled out the photos of horse when younger, leg straight forward, short toes.

                        I've had white footed horses for the last 40 years. They did not all have bruises.

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                          Originally posted by Dune View Post
                          I have one right now with 2 hind white feet that have bruising. When I asked my last farrier about it, HE said, "All horses bruise, it's just that you can see it on the white feet.".
                          Depends on where bruise is and cause. Bruises are caused by something, usually farrier or if horse banging foot while eating, hitting on a jump. Have you ever seen a new born foal born with white feet that had bruising? Can't say I have but dark hooves are born a strange color, turn darker after birth.

                          Check the foot to see if balanced and if sides are straight or dishing.

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                            Originally posted by Flash44 View Post
                            Any time a statement contains "all" or "never," you will always find someone who will contradict it. Snarkily.
                            I didn't. I was silenced by the awe of the hilarious bruise statement. Because hoof was crooked and flare, jamming outside wall of the foot. There was nothing I could say or show him to contradict his beliefs. Because the horse was fat. (not)

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Guilherme View Post
                              All hooves can"bruise."

                              G.
                              Yes, they definitely "can" if set up to.

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                                #16
                                My 9 yr old paint mare has 4 whites. Bought her as a weanling and she has never had bruises.
                                All white feet have bruises
                                is a load of crock. I don't understand why your farrier told you that; so not true.
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                                One pair of good hands is better than having a thousand different bits.

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                                  Originally posted by Color of Light View Post
                                  Depends on where bruise is and cause. Bruises are caused by something, usually farrier or if horse banging foot while eating, hitting on a jump. Have you ever seen a new born foal born with white feet that had bruising? Can't say I have but dark hooves are born a strange color, turn darker after birth.

                                  Check the foot to see if balanced and if sides are straight or dishing.
                                  I don't need to "check the foot", I did, and both hinds were not balanced. Notice the word "last" inserted between "my" and "farrier". LOL ;-) I don't know how they say stuff like this with a straight face. :-/

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