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    Oldenburg gelding- Long term soundness?

    I will give you guys the whole story.

    My sister is interested in this Oldenburg gelding (who's also a twin), he's at least 17.3, and been sitting for the last 3 years. The owner got him thinking that she would compete him, but his size intimidated her, and he never did anything. Before she got him he was in jumping and dressage training, and he obviously know a lot, despite being out of shape. I rode him, and he was a ton of fun. Seems to be sound under saddle and by the way he moves, but he has these weird bony things on both his hind pasterns. Equal on both sides, not ouchy when they are touched. What is it, and will he be sound long term on it? If we do decide to get him, he will have a vet check (I'm thinking x-rays would be beneficial, but what do you think? We don't have a ton of money to throw around) and we're going to try to get a 2 month lease to buy to see if he remains sound in work.

    Pictures: http://imgur.com/a/Rth20

    Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcTnXbwMUVE

    #2
    He would have to start out sound to stay sound in work. The left hind looks like a bit of a train wreck to me, but what bothers me the most is that he looks like his hind pasterns are soft (fetlocks dropping too low). I hope I'm wrong and it's difficult to make a call without a confo shot or two, but he makes me worry about DSLD a bit. I don't think you said how old he is? I certainly wouldn't do anything without a pre-purchase including x-rays.
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      #3
      Warmbloods need heels. In the USA, most farrier trim off the heels because the hunter jumper people want "daisy cutters." If you get him, make the farrier give him heels to keep him sound. BTDT.

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        #4
        I agree that his hind feet are terrible. We have a pretty good farrier in out area, but I know that if she really wants him, it will take a while to get his feet looking better. He is 12.

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          #5
          For me, it would depend what you want to do with him. I'm not a fan of how he looks in the back end on the video you share, but that might just be me.

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            #6
            He would be for my sister, I already have a horse that I adore. She would use him mostly as a dressage horse, and jump no higher than beginner novice. Could the hind pasterns be ringbone?

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              #7
              Originally posted by mjs8 View Post
              For me, it would depend what you want to do with him. I'm not a fan of how he looks in the back end on the video you share, but that might just be me.
              I wonder if you are seeing what I'm seeing, which is the shuffling gait and significant wringing of the hocks, especially the left.

              Wringing is usually indicative of weak back (or the horse not working over the top line), tight adductors, or both. Usually fixable with slow, correct training. The shuffling is most likely part of the same problem. But I agree, he looks a bit rough.

              Impossible to really say what the bony protrusions are based on description, but either way, I'd be getting a thorough PPE with x-rays of the area. If your sister doesn't have the money to do a pretty thorough PPE, I'd pass. He may be a nice horse and come back into work fine, or he may not, but after 3 years of nothing, you're taking a shot in the dark.
              Do not spoil what you have by desiring what you have not. Remember that what you have now was once among the many things that you only hoped for.

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                #8
                The pictures show (kind of) what I was talking about

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                  #9
                  Not really an expert on ringbone behind, but if so, I would think high ringbone not low... With a warmblood that size, plus the definitely wonky left hind, you have to figure in some pretty major maintenance costs. Maybe if either you or your sister worked as a part time vet tech and could get meds and advice at a discount, starting with a good lube job, etc., but otherwise I'd pass. Too bad because he does look like a very fun ride, and seems to have a nice character, but if your sister rides nearly as well as you do - I think she could do better and doesn't need a limited horse to hold her back. Maybe the former owner will let you both ride him for free and you could get him conditioned enough to at least help him land softly to a good home with the $$ to maintain him.

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                    #10
                    He looks like a good guy and very willing. I suspect from the hoof photo that his feet have been neglected for some time. And yes, that left hind is hurtin.
                    Do you have any more photos of his hooves from all angles and a sole shot?
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                      #11
                      that lack of outward stability in the left hind is very odd. Almost like a lack of check stability or luxation. Very apparent in the video at 35 - 40 seconds

                      He appears very sweet but I would not pay good money for him, particularly as a dressage prospect. Any money paid would be with the understanding that he might turn out to be a very big pasture pet.

                      I think the hoof is a result of the legs instability

                      I am skeptical of an owner that has seen that and not addressed it.
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                        #12
                        Re the hind end, my old, retired TB moves like that on the right hind, His is the result of some ataxia due to cervical arthritis. I'm sure that this is not the only thing it could be with this guy, but just be aware.

                        If you don't have the $ to do a good set of xrays as part of prepurchase, I'd pass; though the horse looks sweet and willing, you could well end up with a lot of expense in maintenance.

                        Edited to add: the PPE should include a neuro exam.

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                          #13
                          This is a money pit. Whether there's soundness at the bottom, who can say, but it will take a while to find out. I'd pass.
                          My warmbloods have actually drunk mulled wine in the past. Not today though. A drunk warmblood is a surly warmblood. - WildandWickedWarmbloods

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                            #14
                            Hard to tell from the photos, but it looks a bit like sidebone.

                            Your vet will probably be able to tell even without an xray if that is the case.
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                              #15
                              Obviously a PPE with some radiographs is on top if she decides she wants him.. I remember having a horse with a similar movement behind as his LH, he evented for a number of years, up through Training. Never was fast enough for Prelim. I forget why he did that behind. Proper shoeing did help.
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                                #16
                                Yikes! on the left hind.
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                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by WildandWickedWarmbloods View Post
                                  Warmbloods need heels. In the USA, most farrier trim off the heels because the hunter jumper people want "daisy cutters."
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                                    #18
                                    The long toe look has been around a long time, both in Hunters and in racing stock. Someone at some point thought that would encourage a more sweeping and longer stride, respectively. BS. No, it doesn't make biomechanical sense, but that doesn't stop craptastic farriers from doing all sorts of things that don't make biomechanical sense
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                                      #19
                                      He seems like a really good dude... The imbalance in his hind feet is definitely not helping here... He's also not fit so is weak behind.

                                      If your sister really likes him and the vet says he should be fine for what she wants to do, then I say go for it... if the price is right. He is most likely going to need some sort of regular joint maintenance, if your sister is okay with that.

                                      As far as long term soundness... there are no guarantees with any horse.
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                                        #20
                                        Your video only goes to the right, correct? I would not make judgements about a horse's movement/soundness based on a video only in one direction. I wouldn't trust anyone else's judgements based on a video of only one direction either.

                                        My experience is that very large horses have more maintenance issues. And he is a BIG BOY. Looks very sweet, though, and sometimes temperament can make up for lots of other pitfalls.

                                        I would not proceed with anything with this horse with getting a vet to look at and xray his hind pasterns. Xrays and a farm call should run under $300, which is pretty cheap in comparison to what you could end up spending on him.

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