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  • Eventer13
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    https://www.americanfarriers.com/wys...Hoofbeats3.jpg)

    Regardless, I think a little more clarification from your vet and/or farrier may be in order.

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  • TWH Girl
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    I'm very sorry your horse is in so much pain. It's stressful to care for an injured animal in pain too. I.second the sentiment about your vet. I'd get a second opinion and some xrays at this point. I also agree with the antibiotics.

    Please keep us posted! Best wishes for you and your boy.

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  • HealingHeart
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    Is he on antibiotics? I would think he would be for 5-10 days

    Originally posted by Spa:) View Post
    Hey everyone. While cleaning out his hoof, and digging a bit, vet found something like a penetrating wound, but not deep, like a nail can be, and he cleaned it and dug it out. Farrier was there, and both agreed his hoof is inflamed/infected due to it. Now, horse is still quite lame, although vet gives him daily painkillers. :/ Struggles turning in circle, and kinda walks slowlier than usual, but not in a laminitic way. Right front cold as ice, left has heat in the hoof, but sometime during a day, it gets kinda cold too. Now putting weight on the leg normally. So I'm confused, totally. I don't get it how is he still lame with painkillers, wouldn't lameness be gone if it was something like laminitis? I still hope for an abscess, but it has been to long. Will keep you updated. <3

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  • Flash44
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    "Firstly, this wasn't really a puncture wound, but it was icky and smelly, but nowhere near abscess or such."

    Abscesses can present in a variety of ways, from "classic" to something that is barely there but causing significant problems. And putting a pad over an abscess is not going to help, so hopefully you are correct and it is not an abscess. However, "icky and smelly" scream abscess to me. But I'm not there, and I'm sure you are doing your best to give an accurate account regarding what is going on with your horse.

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  • Spa:)
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    I just turned him once, to see if he is still lame, better than taking him outside on harder ground. So, it has been a week, or a day more, since this started, and although there are some bad news, there are good news too. He is happily standing on all four legs, putting weight on the left one, and using it a bit. Even resting hind legs. And I don't think his digital pulse is bad much, when you gently put your fingers on his arthery, it can barely be felt. Yesterday, his hoof was even almost cold, to my surprise and happiness. When walking, he goes a bit slow, but doesn't limp, only when first getting out, and sometimes. Like he goes well, and then suddenly lame, when he hits harder ground. But he is willing to move, happy attitude and stuff. We mostly ruled out laminitis. He got a bit better, but mostly the same in the 7 weeks, and he never had laminitis, so it is probably not the case. Now the bad news. Firstly, this wasn't really a puncture wound, but it was icky and smelly, but nowhere near abscess or such. Horse is now shoed with bar shoes, and they have a weird shape inside, like many lines, really cannot explain, and he has a full pad on. Bad news was that he was as lame as he previously was before shoeing. But I don't know how he is today, day after shoeing. Right now, it is eaither bad bruising, abscess or pedal bone fracture. Vet decided not to x-ray yet, because he doesn't want to ship a horse to the clinic, and put him to more stress of travelling. He doubts it could be a fracture, because horse puts weight on the hoof, has no problem when picking other hoof, and is not fracture lame, and horse did nothing to do it. Didn't run at high speeds, and stuff. He was only out in pasture, but vet said I would see an instant lameness if he did it down there, but I brought my boy cool and sound out of the pasture. Anyway, if it doesn't get better, we will have to ship him. :/ And he is givin g him all the necessary medication, so don't worry. Thank you all for care and information, speak soon. <3

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  • Spartacus
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    I'm just going to say it. I don't like your vet on this one. Not enough---or really, any, diagnostics going on, and it sounds like the vet and farrier aren't giving you the tools to help the horse. A penetrating wound is nothing to fool around with. Depending on where the wound is on the sole, and how deep it is, it could be quite serious. Have they pulled the shoe and bandaged the hoof? Have they shown you how to bandage it? Have they suggested soaking it (cold/icy water will actually bring relief). Is the horse on antibiotics? What kind of pain relief is he getting? A penetrating wound is much different than a stone bruise or abscess caused by a bruise. And not to scare you, but a serious bruise/abscess can trigger laminitis in the "good" leg's foot if the horse offsets his weight enough onto it. Stop turning the horse in circles, and stop hand-walking him. Get that foot bandaged up with a poultice and a lot of padding, diaper over that, and duct tape on the bottom. Change that sucker every day, or every other day. If you want to soak it, soak it in icy cold water with betadine in it. Your horse will sigh with relief. When he tells you he's done, or 20 minutes, take his foot out, dry it carefully and wrap it in a towel until you can rebandage it. If you don't know how to rebandage it, make the vet show you. This is your opportunity to learn.

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  • RJC
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    I would have the foot in a diaper. Best case scenario, it helps the abscess blow, worst case scenario you wasted a diaper and some Epsom.

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  • Flash44
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    Why are you forcing him to circle if he is struggling? Obviously something brewing in the foot. If it's an abscess, it will be easier to get it to come out if you are soaking the foot. I've never head of tapping on the foot as a diagnostic, but will defer to the DVM. Hope it's something simple!

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  • Docismypony
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    I had a lameness issue with my gelding awhile back came up dead lame couldn't turn in a circle , couldn't walk, thought it was a abscess due to sudden on set, after checking hoof with testers and blocking leg up to the hock only x rays revealed a bone chip and fracture in the hock, definitely recommend x rays before its to late

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  • ryansgirl
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    I wouldn't wait on x-rays . I'd get them done ASAP. And if nothing is seen on them then at least you know it's not laminitis, etc. When my mare showed up on three legs one night (found her like that after I got out of work) I immediately called my vet and first thing we did when she showed up was take x-rays - needed to make sure there wasn't any more rotation of the coffin bone. That was a huge relief seeing those instantly. Get the vet back out...

    Out of curiosity has the vet said why he hasn't done x-rays yet??
    Last edited by ryansgirl; Jan. 9, 2015, 09:18 PM.

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  • HungarianHippo
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    Originally posted by Flash44 View Post
    My husband, who is a vet, says "When you hear hoofbeats, think horses, not zebras."
    Flash, i burst out laughing at the zebras quote, because I made the mistake of using that analogy with my husband and father one day. They cracked up and insisted that it was not a real saying and that it made no sense. So they then proceeded to ad lib back and forth
    "If you hear hoofbeats, the concrete's cured!" If you hear hoofbeats, don't go to the dry cleaners!" to much hilarity. Some wine may have been involved. Anyway, to this day, Mr HH uses the "if you hear hoofbeats" thing on a regular basis.

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  • Spa:)
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    Hey all. Still bad news all the way. Left hoof hot, too much, right foot cold, and legs cold. Pulse can easily be felt. He is still lame, struggling and very unwilling to turn in circle, both ways. Obviously lame. And I'm turning him in circle in deep soft bedding. So upset. And he is happy overall, not lying down much, happy attitude, don't have to push him to walk. :/ Vet gives him painkillers, Diclofen I think, and other stuff for inflammation. And he will get IV, but one to clean out his liver, as he is fat. :/ I think vet did hoof testers, but he generally reacts by tapping his hoof only, and tries to take away his leg. :/ He hasn't really improved during this week, and I'm really upset now. Few more days, and we should look at getting x-rays done. :/ Will keep you updated, this is really a bad thing to go through.

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  • QM2
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    "broken leg lame" is usually 1 of 2 things a broken leg or an abcess. Luckily it is usually the latter rather than the former.

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  • merrygoround
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    Originally posted by Flash44 View Post
    My husband, who is a vet, says "When you hear hoofbeats, think horses, not zebras."

    It does not sound like your horse had swelling in his leg, and if his hoof was hot, my guess is that it is a hoof issue such as an abscess or stone bruise. Hoof testers should reveal whether or not it is in the hoof. Your farrier should be able to put hoof testers on the horse, and if he thinks it is an abscess, he may be able to help open it up.

    Good luck, I hope it quickly resolves!
    My thought exactly!

    Statistically speaking more sudden lameness's are caused by abscesses and bruises, than fractures. Bruises usually quietly improve a little every day. Abscesses usually get worse before resolving or being resolved. Unfortunately both initially respond similarly to hoof testers.

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  • Flash44
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    I've had 3 "sudden onset lameness" in the past, with all indicators pointing to an issue in the foot. Did you put hoof testers on the horse? That's the first thing we did when there was no obvious leg injury. One was an abscess, farrier was able to open it and it drained and stunk to high heaven. With the other two, we were able to get mild reactions to the hoof testers, but nothing definitive. Soaked the foot and did it up in icthamol for a while, no abscess ever opened up but the horses steadily improved and it was resolved in a couple weeks. So thinking the second two were mild bruises. Not sure why you wouldn't put hoof testers on a horse with a suspected problem in the foot.

    Is the diagnosis given by the vet "penetrating wound?" Not sure how a bar shoe would help on that one, unless the "wound" is compromising the hoof in some way that the additional support is warranted.

    Laminitis does not usually present severely in only one front foot, although one side may be worse than the other.

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  • kdreger
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    Originally posted by Spa:) View Post
    Hey everyone. While cleaning out his hoof, and digging a bit, vet found something like a penetrating wound, but not deep
    Thin soles would mean less then 1/4 of an inch, 6 mm. So yes it is more then deep enough to cause major problems.

    I don't get it how is he still lame with painkillers
    I am so glad you have never needed pain killers. With major pain all they do is take the edge off of the pain if you are lucky. A lot of us live with daily pain even when taking medicine. Your horse went from non weight bearing to using his leg/hoof. That is a huge improvement!

    I still hope for an abscess, but it has been to long.
    I do not understand that comment, ^^^
    You said: Farrier was there, and both agreed his hoof is inflamed/infected due to it.
    This is exactly what an abscess is, a pocket of infection. An abscess can takes days to months to resolve/heal.

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  • trubandloki
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    Are you doing any treatment other than the daily painkillers?

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  • brody
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    4 days is no where near too long for an abscess. Hang in there and report to us at month end.

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  • Spa:)
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    Hey everyone. While cleaning out his hoof, and digging a bit, vet found something like a penetrating wound, but not deep, like a nail can be, and he cleaned it and dug it out. Farrier was there, and both agreed his hoof is inflamed/infected due to it. Now, horse is still quite lame, although vet gives him daily painkillers. :/ Struggles turning in circle, and kinda walks slowlier than usual, but not in a laminitic way. Right front cold as ice, left has heat in the hoof, but sometime during a day, it gets kinda cold too. Now putting weight on the leg normally. So I'm confused, totally. I don't get it how is he still lame with painkillers, wouldn't lameness be gone if it was something like laminitis? I still hope for an abscess, but it has been to long. Will keep you updated. <3

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  • HealingHeart
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    Absesses can start as a bruise...., but a bad stone bruise would create the pain. Didi this vet say soak in espon salt or anything.

    Ps: Don't like the bed matters of vet, spoke to farrier 1st and didn't seem to talk to you 1st about treatment....

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