• Welcome to the Chronicle Forums.
    Please complete your profile. The forums and the rest of www.chronofhorse.com has single sign-in, so your log in information for one will automatically work for the other. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are the views of the individual and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of The Chronicle of the Horse.

Announcement

Collapse

Forum rules and no-advertising policy

As a participant on this forum, it is your responsibility to know and follow our rules. Please read this message in its entirety.

Board Rules

1. You’re responsible for what you say.
As outlined in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, The Chronicle of the Horse and its affiliates, as well Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., the developers of vBulletin, are not legally responsible for statements made in the forums.

This is a public forum viewed by a wide spectrum of people, so please be mindful of what you say and who might be reading it—details of personal disputes are likely better handled privately. While posters are legally responsible for their statements, the moderators may in their discretion remove or edit posts that violate these rules. Users have the ability to modify or delete their own messages after posting, but administrators generally will not delete posts, threads or accounts upon request.

Outright inflammatory, vulgar, harassing, malicious or otherwise inappropriate statements and criminal charges unsubstantiated by a reputable news source or legal documentation will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of the moderators.

2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.
The forums are a wonderful source of information and support for members of the horse community. While it’s understandably tempting to share information or search for input on other topics upon which members might have a similar level of knowledge, members must maintain the focus on horses.

3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.

4. No advertising in the discussion forums.
Posts in the discussion forums directly or indirectly advertising horses, jobs, items or services for sale or wanted will be removed at the discretion of the moderators. Use of the private messaging feature or email addresses obtained through users’ profiles for unsolicited advertising is not permitted.

Company representatives may participate in discussions and answer questions about their products or services, or suggest their products on recent threads if they fulfill the criteria of a query. False "testimonials" provided by company affiliates posing as general consumers are not appropriate, and self-promotion of sales, ad campaigns, etc. through the discussion forums is not allowed.

Paid advertising is available on our classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.

Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:

Horses – Only general discussion about the buying, leasing, selling and pricing of horses is permitted. If the post contains, or links to, the type of specific information typically found in a sales or wanted ad, and it’s related to a horse for sale, regardless of who’s selling it, it doesn’t belong in the discussion forums.

Stallions – Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.

Services – Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.

Products – While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.

Event Announcements – Members may post one notification of an upcoming event that may be of interest to fellow members, if the original poster does not benefit financially from the event. Such threads may not be “bumped” excessively. Premium members may post their own notices in the Event Announcements forum.

Charities/Rescues – Announcements for charitable or fundraising events can only be made for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations. Special exceptions may be made, at the moderators’ discretion and direction, for board-related events or fundraising activities in extraordinary circumstances.

Occasional posts regarding horses available for adoption through IRS-registered horse rescue or placement programs are permitted in the appropriate forums, but these threads may be limited at the discretion of the moderators. Individuals may not advertise or make announcements for horses in need of rescue, placement or adoption unless the horse is available through a recognized rescue or placement agency or government-run entity or the thread fits the criteria for and is located in the Giveaways forum.

5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.

6. Respect other members.
As members are often passionate about their beliefs and intentions can easily be misinterpreted in this type of environment, try to explore or resolve the inevitable disagreements that arise in the course of threads calmly and rationally.

If you see a post that you feel violates the rules of the board, please click the “alert” button (exclamation point inside of a triangle) in the bottom left corner of the post, which will alert ONLY the moderators to the post in question. They will then take whatever action, or no action, as deemed appropriate for the situation at their discretion. Do not air grievances regarding other posters or the moderators in the discussion forums.

Please be advised that adding another user to your “Ignore” list via your User Control Panel can be a useful tactic, which blocks posts and private messages by members whose commentary you’d rather avoid reading.

7. We have the right to reproduce statements made in the forums.
The Chronicle of the Horse may copy, quote, link to or otherwise reproduce posts, or portions of posts, in print or online for advertising or editorial purposes, if attributed to their original authors, and by posting in this forum, you hereby grant to The Chronicle of the Horse a perpetual, non-exclusive license under copyright and other rights, to do so.

8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.
The moderators may delete, edit, move or close any post or thread at any time, or refrain from doing any of the foregoing, in their discretion, and may suspend or revoke a user’s membership privileges at any time to maintain adherence to the rules and the general spirit of the forum. These rules may be amended at any time to address the current needs of the board.

Please see our full Terms of Service and Privacy Policy for more information.

Thanks for being a part of the COTH forums!

(Revised 1/26/16)
See more
See less

My old man was ouchy this morning!

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • My old man was ouchy this morning!

    My retired horse, who is 16, finally showed his age in the cold today. He just looked achy all over, I felt so bad! I know a lot of COTHers have oldesters, so I thought maybe you guys could help make him more comfy!

    I'm wondering if joint supps really work, and what ingredients should I be looking for to make him more comfortable? I'd also love to know if any of you use legends for your older horses?

    Please fill me in!!

  • #2
    I just put my 20 y/o TB on MSM. I started about 2 weeks ago and see a noticeable difference. He's looser, happier, and throwing a few bucks in turnout!

    I was considering doing some Adequan but think I may wait it out awhile now.
    We couldn't all be cowboys, so some of us are clowns.

    Comment


    • #3
      Achy how, what did you see? Can you give more detail and what do you feed him?

      Comment


      • #4
        Originally posted by magicteetango View Post
        My retired horse, who is 16, finally showed his age in the cold today. He just looked achy all over, I felt so bad! I know a lot of COTHers have oldesters, so I thought maybe you guys could help make him more comfy!

        I'm wondering if joint supps really work, and what ingredients should I be looking for to make him more comfortable? I'd also love to know if any of you use legends for your older horses?

        Please fill me in!!
        I've got 9 over the age of 16 and the only time they move slowly is when the ground is either frozen hard or slick.

        I'd like to know more details too. Like is he stalled or in some other way confined?

        I attribute how well my oldsters get around to them being in good health, having no arthritic issues to complain about (not on any supplements either), in with a herd, out 24/7 and just simply, being horses/ponies. They find the sunny patches in their pastures early on these cold mornings. They don't require blankets at night as they have a good layer of body fat and good hair coats. They've got run-in shelters if they want to go in them. These are horses and ponies between the ages of 18 and 31.

        Tree

        Comment

        • Original Poster

          #5
          He just looked stiff, and like he barely wanted to move. I'm pretty sure it's arthritis. He wasn't lethargic or lame in any spot, just stiff.

          I feed him 4lbs a day of Legends Peformance 11% protein, 10% fat, and he has constant access to his round bale. He is in good weight and condition, with good feet, although he is barefoot. However, he's been barefoot for years, so I doubt that would be contributing. He is on 24/7 turnout with 3 other horses.

          How much MSM do you give your boy, Flash?

          Comment


          • #6
            He just looked stiff, and like he barely wanted to move
            Make sure he's not maybe going laminitic on you!

            Arthritis kinda creeps up, sudden changes could mean possibly something else. Have you checked his hooves yet?

            Comment


            • #7
              My 25 yo OTTB does really well on Smartflex Senior. We did do a loading dose of the not-really-generic Adequan last year and she did really well with that. I won't hesitate to do that again if she needs it.

              I would look for around 10,000 mg MSM. I also noticed a difference the first time we put her on Devil's Claw. I do the Smartflex Senior now because it is more economical, and she gets all sorts of other good stuff (probiotics and glucosamine) in it for about the same price I was paying to piece together just the Devil's Claw and MSM. I have also heard good things about Yucca for arthritis.

              Comment

              • Original Poster

                #8
                He's been a little stiff before, it's not as though it came out of nowhere. He just didn't seem that achy. But I'll definitely check his hooves tonight, I didn't even think of it!

                Comment


                • #9
                  Yes, just in case. Hope it is just muscle or joint stiffness. You might not want to feed him any grain too, again , just in case. Barely wanting to move sounds more to me than just arthritis.

                  Hope he's OK!

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    Is he blanketed? If it is arthritis (and nothing worse) and if he is affected by the cold, warming him up a bit with a carefully monitored blanket or a little stall time each day might keep the old bones a little more comfortable. I am all for horses getting as much turnout time as possible, but I've known a few horses who really seem to benefit from a little indoor time with their own private hay snack (I saw that he already has a round bale 24/7).

                    Also, is he worked at all? Have you noticed if he's better or worse with exercise?
                    Sarah K. Andrew | Twitter | Blog | Horses & Hope calendar | Flickr | Instagram

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      Originally posted by magicteetango View Post
                      He just looked stiff, and like he barely wanted to move. I'm pretty sure it's arthritis. He wasn't lethargic or lame in any spot, just stiff.

                      I feed him 4lbs a day of Legends Peformance 11% protein, 10% fat, and he has constant access to his round bale. He is in good weight and condition, with good feet, although he is barefoot. However, he's been barefoot for years, so I doubt that would be contributing. He is on 24/7 turnout with 3 other horses.

                      How much MSM do you give your boy, Flash?
                      I decided to try the SmartMSM from SmartPak since I was ordering a few other things from there.... I like it. It is 10,000mg MSM per serving, and it is a pellet so I knew he'd eat it! Economical too at $10 a month.

                      They have a SmartFlex Senior product also but I'm happy with the straight MSM and will probably stick with it.

                      I believe HorseTech has the purest MSM available, someone else may know... not sure how it stacks up in relation to SmartPak's version.
                      We couldn't all be cowboys, so some of us are clowns.

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        I'm all for MSM. We recently adopted a 24 year old ex-show hunter, who has arthritis and was off all of the time at the trot. She was on Senior Flex, but I ran out, and couldn't find it locally. I happened to run into my vet at the feed store, and he told me to put her on asprin and MSM. She is like a new horse! She is totally sound at the trot, and gallops around and kicks out like a 2y/o. She has no history of ulcers, so the asprin is not a concern.

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          My old girl (21) is on SmartFlex Senior. I love it. She loves it. She spent all weekend tearing around the farm playing Seabiscuit ("severe" heaves my behind... she ran at least 3 miles around and around and stopped and was breathing like she just went for a stroll... she apparently just has heaves if I ask her to work...which landed her in horse heaven retirement...but I digress)

                          She is also getting a gram of bute a day and gets Glucosamine injections if she's going through a rough spell. We have had a lot of x-rays the last couple of years, and she has lots of joints fusing... So her vet and I have worked out a plan for her that really helps.

                          I've also found that on really cold days, she really appreciates having her stiff joints rubbed with a little arthritis cream or arnica. Helps keep them warm.
                          Strong promoter of READING the entire post before responding.

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            I have heard really good things about cosequin ASU, that may be worth a try.

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              We took my old man off all supplements and turned him out 24/7. We let him be a horse this winter.. didnt clip him, got him fat as a tick so hes warm (and desided not to blanket him). I have never seen him soo happy!
                              ---^v---^v---^v----------------------^v---^v---^v---
                              For a moment there, you bored me to death

                              Comment


                              • #16
                                I am really happy with the SmartPak Senior Flex. I have seen a difference in my mare and I was skeptical.
                                “If you are irritated by every rub, how will your mirror be polished?”
                                ? Rumi






                                Comment

                                Working...
                                X