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  • #21
    Hitting the artery with banamine causes seizures, and usually if there is a fatality it is by collateral damage (cranial trauma while seizing, etc.)

    I've watched it happen and while terrifying, it is over quickly and most often its not the full dose arterial, but just a bit if you go through the vein into an artery.

    Regardless, terrible and traumatic loss for her.
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    • #22
      That's so scary... That is why I don't do IV injections, and I have no desire to learn. I actually talked about this with my vet once, and how you avoid the artery. She told me that she injected into an artery, just once in the beginning of her career, and it was traumatic enough that she almost gave up being a vet. I wouldn't wish it on anyone.


      • #23
        General wisdom that I've been told by vets and many experienced horse folks is that on a long enough timeline, if you give enough IV shots you WILL get a carotid stick. It happens.

        Happened to me with my mare. Except it was with 2 ml Rompun. Luckily she went down and not up and over. Absolutely terrifying experience.


        • #24
          One BO hit Callie's artery with a shot of banamine (not for colic but for other illness) and fortunately I was holding onto her lead rope, as she had seizures. She lived. It was very traumatic and the BO kept saying it was a heart attack, but of course it was the hit to the artery and subsequent rapid flow to the brain and heart. By the time the vet got there, Callie was OK. I made sure she didn't hit her head on anything and held onto her during the seizures. She did get dirt in her eye and got a corneal ulcer from the ordeal though.

          That's why I give banamine orally now.


          • #25
            Originally posted by dressurpferd01 View Post
            General wisdom that I've been told by vets and many experienced horse folks is that on a long enough timeline, if you give enough IV shots you WILL get a carotid stick. It happens.
            It happens, but you should also know how to identify when it happens. If you know the signs of an arterial stick, you're a lot less likely to actually push anything into the artery.

            I've found that many horse owners have been taught by whomever (vet, trainer, the internet) to give an IV injection, but aren't fully aware of the risk of hitting the carotid.
            Don't fall for a girl who fell for a horse just to be number two in her world... ~EFO


            • #26
              In people as well as horses, before any medication is injected, we draw back slightly on the plunger of the syringe to make sure we are in the vein, by observing venous blood return. Arterial blood is bright red while venous blood is dark.


              • #27
                Flashback color alone can be a poor indicator, though. The color should be noted in conjunction with whether or not the blood is under pressure and palpation.

                If one has any doubt, they should reset the needle.
                Don't fall for a girl who fell for a horse just to be number two in her world... ~EFO


                • Original Poster

                  Flashback color alone can be a poor indicator, though. The color should be noted in conjunction with whether or not the blood is under pressure and palpation.
                  I agree Texarkana and I found that out from my vet 2 days ago when I brought this up. I said I ALWAYS knew when I was in the vein because the blood was dark and brick red whereas arterial blood was bright red. And he said exactly what you just stated - not always - and if you use that as the determining factor you ARE going to have a carotid stick sooner rather than later

                  Just learned something new and a new method of making sure everything was okay when I give IV shots

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                  • #29
                    Yes I was holding a horse for a trainer who gave him a shot of either vitamin b or k, I can't remember which. It initially presented like anaphylactic shock and I screamed for epinephrine and tried to get him out of the stall. Before I could get him out he went down and died.

                    Necropsy revealed that she had stuck him in the artery.

                    My vet told me that epinephrine would not have helped and he had lost one the same way early in his career (I don't know what he gave in that incident).

                    I am so sorry for your friends loss. It's a horrible way to lose a horse.