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    Banamine injectable - given orally?

    OK I know you can give the Banamine injectable sub-lingually - but I have a friend who actually puts it in her horse's feed. (And yes, her horse actually eats it.) Is this an effective way to give Banamine if all you have is the injectable and for whatever reason you can't do an IV shot? Obviously absorption will be slower than if it's given IV, but if that's not really a critical factor ... ?
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    I'd worry about it actually being absorbed by the mucosa in the mouth when administered in the feed.

    ETA - Actually, I don't believe it absorbs that much slower to give PO than if you give it IV. I'd never give it IM.
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      #3
      My vet advised against injecting Banamine IM and since I am not comfortable with giving IV injections she advised to give it orally with a syringe. I am not sure that is the same solution as that for the IM injections. She stated that it works almost as fast as the IM shot.

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        #4
        When my wealing TB had his hernia fixed the vet gave me a bottle of injectable Banamine with instructions to give it oral. It seemed to work just fine and was much easier than sticking a young one by myself.

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          #5
          There is no question that it can be dosed orally. My question is whether it's effective when PUT IN THE HORSE'S FOOD. Thanks.
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            #6
            Would probably take longer to be effective as if horse eats fast, it will end up in the stomach. If your friend cannot squirt it into the horse's mouth with a syringe, why doesn't she buy that cheap dosing halter that Jeffersequine.com sells? it works for horses who throw their heads up when being given oral meds.

            Of course if you are giving banamine for colic, you don't want to be putting feed into the horse anyway. Unless it's "grain tea." If giving banamine for inflammation, then probably ok to put it into feed. but why do that when you can either squirt it into the mouth by a syringe, or use the medication halter from Jeffers?

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              Originally posted by retrofit View Post
              There is no question that it can be dosed orally. My question is whether it's effective when PUT IN THE HORSE'S FOOD. Thanks.
              Yes, it is effective. I used it for years this way. Great response, no problems. No different from the paste.
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                #8
                I use it in my mares feed.. It works fine.. I cant get anything in her mouth with a syringe.. The halter was a big waste of money.. So, we resorted to putting it in her feed.

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                  Originally posted by retrofit
                  retrofit
                  There is no question that it can be dosed orally. My question is whether it's effective when PUT IN THE HORSE'S FOOD. Thanks.
                  I can only go by my horse's case, so this may well be different for others, been using it for many months now and for him it is as effective orally as when given IV. He is pretty lame when off it and pretty sound & happy when on it. I just dose slightly higher when giving the liquid orally, not sure if latter is necessary however, I just do 2cc more vs when I do IV, since I suspect some to be lost somehow when put in feed. (be sure to check with vet if doing so, it's not something you want to overdose on!!). I topdress feed with a sachet of brown sugar oatmeal and squirt liquid in the little oatmeal heap. He gobbles it up no problem
                  I see no difference in comfort in him when I do an IV vs when dosed orally in feed, but when on nothing, it's pretty clear that he's in pain. Orally seems to take about 3 to 4 hrs for full effect.
                  I have also used the compounded Flunixin from Wedgewood, which was equally effective and easy to mix in feed.

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                    Thanks everyone! Appreciate the responses
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                      Originally posted by retrofit View Post
                      Thanks everyone! Appreciate the responses
                      It does have a HORRIBLE taste for the poor horse

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                        #12
                        I now use the Banamine injectable for dosing my horses orally instead of the paste. Paste has become very expensive comparatively, and the horses do not seem to mind the taste. I put the dosage in a very small amount of Equine Senior and they eat it without having the paste struggle. They are happy to not be mugged , and I think that they think they got the better end of the deal with a tasty treat! LOL. Seems effective and makes management a bit easier. If we have a show or anything of that nature, I will do the IV route to ensure pre- competition dosing requirements and timing.

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                          Originally posted by retrofit View Post
                          There is no question that it can be dosed orally.
                          Actually, there is. If you read the insert that comes with any bottle of injectable Banamine (or the generic versions), you won't find anything that says it can be given orally. I also haven't found a single vet in my area that advises giving the injectable version orally although a few don't object. Right or wrong some vets strongly believe it is ineffective administered that way.

                          In fact, I was read the riot act by one vet several years ago when I couldn't get my old mare's ERU flare-up under control and had to have her out. When I told her what I'd been doing, including giving injectable Banamine orally 2X/day, she bugged out on me. I was told in no uncertain terms that I had caused the mare to suffer needlessly for two days because Banamine injectable should never be given orally - only IV or IM and if I wanted to go the oral route to use the paste! One does not forget a dressing down like that!

                          When I asked my current vet about it she said she's had 100's of clients injecting Banamine IM for more than 25 years and none have reported a single problem. Personally, I usually avoid the neck for any IM injection, going for the gluteals or the chest; use gloves and sterile needles/syringes every single time. I dislike the neck for several reasons including having owned horses capable of tightening those muscles enough to bend the needles.

                          If you or your vets have any credible studies proving injectable Banamine is just as effective given orally please provide cites. I've never been able to find anything other than anecdotal claims posing as fact.

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                            That's quite a risk giving Banamine IM.
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                              And what did the vet say had caused your mare to suffer?
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                                #16
                                All I can say is that my vets have told me to give injectable banamine orally on more than one occasion. It seems to work that way for my horse.

                                I have never tried it in his grain. Since he eats bute out of my hand I am guessing he would gobble up grain laced with banamine too.

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                                  When I asked my current vet about it she said she's had 100's of clients injecting Banamine IM for more than 25 years and none have reported a single problem. Personally, I usually avoid the neck for any IM injection, going for the gluteals or the chest; use gloves and sterile needles/syringes every single time. I dislike the neck for several reasons including having owned horses capable of tightening those muscles enough to bend the needles.
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                                  Yep and I had probably given 100s of banamine shots IM without a problem UNTIL the day that's did. One I spent $100s in vet bills over it and two, I felt like the worlds biggest ass because I knew better and my mare suffered greatly.

                                  For the OP, once in desperation I went the feed route and it worked.

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                                    #18
                                    I gave it orally at the end of the my mare's last pregnancy and it kept her comfortable and happy.

                                    It was VERY obvious when she didn't have it/was uncomfortable.

                                    This was per vet recommendation. It would have been much less cost effective to do the paste and while I can do IV, it would have been harder to get my poor husband to fill in for me while I had some crazy hours.
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                                      Originally posted by rcloisonne View Post
                                      Actually, there is. If you read the insert that comes with any bottle of injectable Banamine (or the generic versions), you won't find anything that says it can be given orally. I also haven't found a single vet in my area that advises giving the injectable version orally although a few don't object. Right or wrong some vets strongly believe it is ineffective administered that way.

                                      In fact, I was read the riot act by one vet several years ago when I couldn't get my old mare's ERU flare-up under control and had to have her out. When I told her what I'd been doing, including giving injectable Banamine orally 2X/day, she bugged out on me. I was told in no uncertain terms that I had caused the mare to suffer needlessly for two days because Banamine injectable should never be given orally - only IV or IM and if I wanted to go the oral route to use the paste! One does not forget a dressing down like that!

                                      When I asked my current vet about it she said she's had 100's of clients injecting Banamine IM for more than 25 years and none have reported a single problem. Personally, I usually avoid the neck for any IM injection, going for the gluteals or the chest; use gloves and sterile needles/syringes every single time. I dislike the neck for several reasons including having owned horses capable of tightening those muscles enough to bend the needles.

                                      If you or your vets have any credible studies proving injectable Banamine is just as effective given orally please provide cites. I've never been able to find anything other than anecdotal claims posing as fact.
                                      I think your vet wanted to sell you some banamine paste.
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                                        Originally posted by rcloisonne View Post
                                        Actually, there is. If you read the insert that comes with any bottle of injectable Banamine (or the generic versions), you won't find anything that says it can be given orally. I also haven't found a single vet in my area that advises giving the injectable version orally although a few don't object. Right or wrong some vets strongly believe it is ineffective administered that way.

                                        In fact, I was read the riot act by one vet several years ago when I couldn't get my old mare's ERU flare-up under control and had to have her out. When I told her what I'd been doing, including giving injectable Banamine orally 2X/day, she bugged out on me. I was told in no uncertain terms that I had caused the mare to suffer needlessly for two days because Banamine injectable should never be given orally - only IV or IM and if I wanted to go the oral route to use the paste! One does not forget a dressing down like that!

                                        When I asked my current vet about it she said she's had 100's of clients injecting Banamine IM for more than 25 years and none have reported a single problem. Personally, I usually avoid the neck for any IM injection, going for the gluteals or the chest; use gloves and sterile needles/syringes every single time. I dislike the neck for several reasons including having owned horses capable of tightening those muscles enough to bend the needles.

                                        If you or your vets have any credible studies proving injectable Banamine is just as effective given orally please provide cites. I've never been able to find anything other than anecdotal claims posing as fact.
                                        Injectable Banamine is just that: formulated to be injected. That's how it is formulated and packaged and tested and sold. That doesn't mean it can't be given via other routes, or that it isn't safe or efficacious to do so. There isn't anything magical in Banamine paste to suit it to oral use as far as I'm aware, just some propylene glycol or similar, to make it easier to dose orally. Its the same compound. I have had many vets direct me to use the injectable orally and have had no problems. It's a LOT cheaper than the paste, so that's what I prefer for most cases.
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