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WWYD? Rant and spinoff from "drunk" issues

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  • WWYD? Rant and spinoff from "drunk" issues

    I have leased a private farm (residence, barn and pastures) for 8 years. Landlord lives on property adjacent to the south (city dude trying to be a gentleman farmer, corporate type, a bit shy on common sense). Property to west is also owned by Landlord. Landlord recently let one of his periodically unemployed temp workers (chronic alcoholic) live in that house for a while "to help him out." Guy got drunk and with another of his drinking buddies decided to party IN MY BARN complete with lit cigars, cigarettes and more booze. Found the evidence the next morning. Horses are fine, barn intact.

    Guy admitted what he did and said it was "on a drunken whim but we didn't ride nuthin so whatsyer problem lady." Stated Landlord told him he could ride the horses and that Landlord stated I had said that was okay.

    Very odd considering I have a 28 year old OTTB who hasn't been ridden since his last race 18 years ago, a foundered pony, a couple minis and an unbroke gelding. That is to say, nothing rideable!

    Landlord extremely touchy, takes everything as criticism.

    I KNOW I'm not going to find another place like this to lease anywhere in this area, even considering what I'm paying (which is lots). Landlord has stated he is going to be selling out anyway short of foreclosure (evidently he was busy buying boats, going on trips, contributing to local college athletic fund, etc., instead of paying the rent through on my leased premises to the mortgage holder). I have been trying to hold on til the very last minute hoping he can work something out on his foreclosure so I could keep leasing.

    Any suggestions welcome. I am SOOOOO tired of drunks.

  • #2
    Way too much of a safety liability. I understand how hard it is to find decent places to lease...but when it comes down to worrying about the barn my animals are in burning down or some drunking moron trying to ride unrideable horses (or any of my horses) with the landlords permission or without...I'd be making the move outta there asap. Safety isn't something to be bargained with, it's a must IMO.
    If you are paying a small fortune to lease the place and for rent/mortgage somewhere else...and if the two costs added together can cover it....maybe start looking for a purchase place rather thanb leasing? Or are there any big barns that will lease you a block of stalls? Or even an empty fenced field somewhere that you can lease and then pop in a large run in or shedrow?
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    • #3
      Anyplace is better than that where your old and lame horses could get burned up.

      Post in feedstores, and in tack shops and run ad on craigslist for place for you and horses.

      good luck.


      • Original Poster

        Thanks for the suggestions. Good idea to post flyers around and I will be looking at leasing a block of stalls somewhere. Means I have to move, too, and most likely can't live where my horses are. I really didn't want to get into another boarding situation as that has not worked out and my geriatric crowd doesn't do well without lots of hands on care, but perhaps a self-care situation would work.

        Unfortunately in this area buying is not an option for me particularly with the national mortgage crisis, absolutely no one is lending for nonstandard mortgages (horse farms) without vast sums for down payment, a perfect credit score, and extortionate interest on top of those qualifications (I tried that avenue when I first learned Landlord was at risk of losing this farm to the bank).

        I had not thought of Craigslist - duh! - thanks for reminding me!


        • #5
          If he's in arrears, why not contact his bank? You don't have anything to lose....


          • #6
            Originally posted by stryder View Post
            If he's in arrears, why not contact his bank? You don't have anything to lose....
            Stryder beat me to it.

            This is an excellent idea. Schedule a meeting, armed with your current lease and some form of documentation (receipt from landlord, cancelled checks, etc.) demonstrating what you have been paying and that you have been paying on time. Since no properties are moving quickly, the bank may be happy to lease the property to you and get something for it, if foreclosure is really in the offing.

            Worst-case scenario? They say thanks, but no thanks, and you follow up on other opportunities that you have uncovered via your concurrent networking and flyer-put-upping.
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            • #7
              Oh hell, just move to Kentucky now. I've got a 10 acre farm I'll sell you cheap!


              • #8
                Can you change the access gate locks? Instll some locks if you don't have any? Maybe if the drunk can't drive in, had a long walk to get there, it would be too much work to use your barn.

                Good ideas from others. What a nasty situation to have to endure.


                • #9
                  Originally posted by coloredhorse View Post
                  Stryder beat me to it.

                  This is an excellent idea. Schedule a meeting, armed with your current lease and some form of documentation (receipt from landlord, cancelled checks, etc.) demonstrating what you have been paying and that you have been paying on time. Since no properties are moving quickly, the bank may be happy to lease the property to you and get something for it, if foreclosure is really in the offing.

                  Worst-case scenario? They say thanks, but no thanks, and you follow up on other opportunities that you have uncovered via your concurrent networking and flyer-put-upping.
                  I like this idea .

                  And even if the landlord is "touchy," I'd be just as touchy about smokes and booze in the barn and the statement that the landlord said it was kosher for them to go on a midnight ride on my horses...just me though.
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                  • Original Poster

                    Thanks for the support and ideas. Goodhors, unfortunately the front access to the barn area isn't fenced (and Landlord doesn't want it fenced) so can't lock.

                    I asked an officer at my own bank to discreetly check on the direct-to-mortgage-holder issue after having the local title company pull a last transaction so I could look at $$, even past $$ from when they refinanced to get the superlow intro ARM like those all over the place 3-4 years ago. It is an out of state lender, apparently, who bought the mortgage maybe 4 times down the road from the original financing. They say they are uninterested in owning real estate, they have to be cashed out, and at any rate this is now proving to be an extremely hefty ARM, which is how a lot of people got "caught." Even in a bad market, the listing realtor who is a "foreclosure specialist" - property not listed yet, but pending - said it should eventually sell in this high end geographic area in the $1.2 M range which is so far beyond my ability to afford that all I could do was snort (I do a great OTTB imitation snort, sounds like a tiny steam engine with wardrobe malfunctions).

                    Shakeytails, Kentucky was on the agenda in June 2007 and again June 2008 but local contract got extended so I'm hoping for June 2009. I would love to know about your farm!

                    A friend (ah, that would be a witness) and I talked to the Landlord last night and it appears I may have some leverage because the Landlord told the lender it was an "income producing property" - the income producer being yours truly, the paying tenant. As part of the problem with the lender, he had to assign the rent payments to the lender so it will have to pass through to service the debt (but he's still on the hook as the rent though high doesn't cover the inflated ARM).

                    And at least when I delicately mentioned my attorney who was familiar with agricultural law (and trespass law and fraud...) he quickly assured me he was going to "deal with" (whatever that means) the drunk guy. Crossing fingers and toes there will be a U-Haul in the driveway there shortly!

                    Basically, I think the Landlord now understands he needs to choose wisely between a tenant with a flawless payment history and a freeloader creating problems.

                    That having been said, this is the same Landlord that one day looked at the OTTB retiree in the field, noticed the dapples in the shimmering coat, and asked me if my horse was "going to die of ringworm." Dapples and ringworm both being "round." Same thing in his mind, obviously!

                    So right now I'm looking....and sighing hopefully for Kentucky. Summer 2009 can't come fast enough for me!!!


                    • #11
                      awww.. your story warms my cockles.. NOT... We should have a clique *My Landlord is an A$$ Clique* I have nothign vaulable to offer other than, "It sucks" I'll put in a few jingles that it is resolved with no more grief.

                      Wow.. I'm a witchy preggo woman... no wonder broodmares are opinionated. If I had to do this every year someone would shoot me.
                      If i'm posting on Coth, it's either raining so I can't ride or it's night time and I can't sleep.


                      • Original Poster

                        Catersun here's another warm cockles story that is true and related to pregnancy issues. My older broodmare was carrying her last foal, turned out to be a very large colt, and in the final weeks was clearly uncomfortable and, as a consequence, rather grumpy. At the time, I was renting a neighbor's field with run-in shed specifically for my mare so she could come and go at will as a stall was too confining - she liked to mosey around alot. The field fence next to the house was bordered with raspberry bushes. It was June. Can you see where this is headed?

                        One day the neighbor (male chiropractor, originally from Norway, into all kinds of holistic and nutritional things) hailed me and was laughing, which was odd, he was generally a very serious fellow. He said: "Your mare, she is feeling the not so good feelings from too much pregnancy, when is she due?" So I told him and he replied that the reason he knew that she was uncomfortable is she mowed the raspberry "hedge" to the extent she could reach it over the fence. He said women in Europe and Scandinavia routinely drink raspberry leaf tea to alleviate the discomforts of pregnancy and obviously my own mare knew just what to do to feel better!


                        • #13
                          heh funny story... I'm using the raspberry leaf tea myself.... to no real avail yet. Expensive hogwash so far.... alas... I admit to being desprate. I am miserable, I can't imagine how broodies feel, at least I can opt for an epidural when the time comes. I am SOOOO close to hopping on my horse and going for a good trot or canter.
                          If i'm posting on Coth, it's either raining so I can't ride or it's night time and I can't sleep.