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  • non-structural carbohydrate (NSC) reference list??

    I'm tired of trying to look up the NSC content of prepared horse feeds, fat additions like rice bran and flax seed, hays and legumes, grains, etc. I haven't had luck using the COTH search feature for this. I would imagine there are many of us unnecessarily duplicating efforts to research NSC content. Does anyone out there have a list of the most common feed formulas that are on the lower half of the NSC continuum, fat additions, hays, etc.? I think this would be a great resource for everyone. And if nobody has such a list maybe we could all chip in what we know so we could compile a thorough list as a reference tool.

    As far as feeds go I have access to the following brands: Nutrena, Purina, Triple Crown, FRM and am definitely interested in their lowER starch formulas even if not considered "low" starch. I am not limiting myself only to the "low" starch formulas because although I would like to limit starch to a certain degree not all my horses need very low starch...and some do.
    Altamont Sport Horses
    Trakehners * Knabstruppers * Appaloosa Sport Horses
    Home of stallions: Ambrosius af Asgard "Atlantis" & Hollywood Hot Spot
    Birmingham, AL

  • #2
    Have you checked the Yahoo!! Equine Cushings group? I seem to remember seeing info about this posted or archived there.

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    • #3
      Triple Crown has their levels on their website: http://triplecrownfeed.com/news-solu...ate-levels.php

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      • #4
        Progressive Nutrition has very low starch in their Grass Balancer (less then 10%). If you go on their website prognutrition.com and contact Don on contacts page he can tell you all about the low starch in their feeds.

        Great product and he does a lot of research.

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        • #5
          Here is a list that someone on another board posted, with permission of whomever put the list together. It's only as of '06, so a few things might be a little out of date. In addition to this, you can get good information on forages, whole grains, and other things, from Equi-Analytical http://www.equi-analytical.com/CommonFeedProfiles/


          NSC levels I have on file: June 2006 – updated December 2006

          LMF - Low Carb Complete Stage 1 - 11% or less
          LMF Senior - 30%

          FARNAM
          Platform Senior - 16.1%

          BUCKEYE NUTRITION
          Safe n’ Easy - 12.5% NSC pelleted, 16% - texturized (non tested)

          BLUE SEAL:
          Carb Guard - [FONT=Courier New]less than 11%
          Vintage Gold - 32%
          Vintage Mare Foal - 33%
          Vintage Senior - 20%
          Vintage Racer - 30%
          Vintage Sweet - 35%
          Vintage Victory 36%
          Demand - 26%
          Contender - 34%
          Hunter - 33%
          Trotter - 25%
          Sport 40%
          Strider - 42%
          Charger - 39%
          Pacer - 48%
          Rider - 44%
          Horse 10 - 45%

          PROGRESSIVE PRODUCTS:
          ProAdvantage grass formula (ration balancer): 13%
          Lo-carb: 19%
          Senior pelleted: 22%
          Senior Textured: 24%
          (was told they use Dairy One for testing) Chanda


          POULIN:
          Senior 31.3%
          MVP - 17.4% (27% protein)
          Stablemate 14 complete - 16.3%
          Endure 10:12 - 33.7%
          Endure 10:8 - 33.9%
          Carb Safe - 10% or less

          SEMINOLE
          Happy Hoof - 15%

          STERETT
          Low Carb Complete (pelleted - hay) - 8.6%

          TRIPLE CROWN:
          10% performance - 41.5%
          14% performance - 38.2%
          Complete 21.7%
          Senior - 15.7%
          Growth - 19.8%
          Low Starch - 15.0%
          Lite - 15.9%
          12% - 29.7%
          Safe Starch Forage 10% or less guaranteed

          PURINA:
          Horse Chow 100 - 16%
          Horse Chow 200 - 18%
          Strategy - 28%
          Omelene 100 - 40.5% (eeegads!)
          Equine Adult - 20%
          Equine Jr - 23%
          Equine Sr - 22%
          Complete Advantage 22.9% (beet pulp based)
          Nature Essentials (Mare & Main) supplement - 16% (protein about 12-14%)
          Nature Essentials Born to Win 16% (but 32% protein)

          VITAROYAL - Linsey McLean
          Hi Pro Plus (14.8-14.9 NSC) - high protein supplement- 29%
          Hi Pro ULTRA ( 13.5% NSC)

          NUTRENA -
          SafeChoice - 22.8% (6.4% sugar, 16% starch) ( Solper)

          REVOLUTION Feed - 19% NSC - Katy Watts - 12% fat (Equi tested)

          Midwest Agri Commodities PLAIN Beet Pulp - 13.4 sugar, .6 starch = 13.9
          NSC (melanie 4-17-06)

          Midwest Agri Commodities PLAIN Beet Pulp (batch# K628202-03) meaning (K) Crookston plant, (6) meaning 2006, (282) meaning the 282nd day of the year and the (02) meaning the shift. 18.6% sugar, .8% starch = 19.4% NSC. This was tested twice for sugar as Dairy One did not believe the results of the sugar. 11-21-06 (Melanie)

          BOSS - Black oil sunflower seeds. NSC 5.6%. 15-16% protein, 40% fat. 6 oz cup
          weighs 3 oz.
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          The CoTH CYA - please consult w/your veterinarian under any and all circumstances. - ET

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            #6
            Following info taken from http://www.equussource.com/docs/eq/0...carbtables.pdf Please check that link for more info. I pulled the NSC % and put here for quick reference. If you want to look up more check out http://www.equi-analytical.com/Commo...disclaimer.asp I think it it has been updated a bit (they average samples taken over the years) but the following numbers are pretty close to what I took off the equussource table.

            NSC Content

            Alfalfa Cubes 10.2%
            Alfalfa Pellets 9.3%
            Barley 61.7%
            Beet Pulp 12.3%
            Corn 73.7%
            Oats 54.1%
            Rice Bran 21.2%
            Wheat Bran 31.1%

            Hays

            Alfalfa Hay 11.3%
            Barley Hay 20.4%
            Bermuda Hay 13.6%
            Grass Hay 13.8%
            Oat Hay 22.1%
            Altamont Sport Horses
            Trakehners * Knabstruppers * Appaloosa Sport Horses
            Home of stallions: Ambrosius af Asgard "Atlantis" & Hollywood Hot Spot
            Birmingham, AL

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            • #7
              How reliable are any of those sources/numbers? JB, Are they guranteed when it comes to processed feeds? I am asking because my gelding always gets too hot on alfalfa - he does not tolerate it at all, except in minor quantities and have seen similar problems in other horses as well around here, PNW.

              Glucose and fructose percentages increased slightly but significantly from 6 AM to 12 N and declined to 6 PM in second and third growth alfalfa. About three times as much glucose as fructose was present. Sucrose comprised less than 3% of the dry matter, but varied considerably diurnally, generally increasing from 6 AM to 6 PM. Leaf starch increased from 10.2 to 20.3% of the dry matter during daylight hours, most of the increase occurring between 9 AM and 3 PM
              http://agron.scijournals.org/cgi/con...tract/63/5/719
              Last edited by BornToRide; Dec. 26, 2008, 11:38 AM.

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              • #8
                Sept 2008 listings.

                http://www.chronicleforums.com/Forum...Non-structural

                I had posted a list and then got updates from others. That's why some entries are red and some are bold. to show the updates.

                Feedstuff NSC
                Alfalfa Cubes 10.2%
                Alfalfa Hay 11.3%
                Alfalfa Pellets 9.3%
                Barley 61.7%
                Barley Hay 20.4%
                Beet Pulp 12.3%
                Bermudagrass Hay 13.6%
                Corn 73.3%
                Grass Hay 13.8%
                Grass Pasture 12.1%
                Oat Hay 22.1%
                Oats 54.1%
                Rice Bran 21.2%
                Soybean Hulls 6.3%
                Soybean Meal 16.2%
                Wheat Bran 30.8%
                Wheat Middlings 32.0%
                Molasses 60%
                Timothy Hay 15%

                For complete Southern States listing go here: http://www.equussource.com/docs/eq/0...feedvalues.pdf

                Triple Crown Rice Bran 23%
                Triple Crown Senior 12 %
                Triple Crown Growth 14%
                Triple Crown Complete 21%
                Triple Crown Lite 9.3%
                Triple Crown Low Starch 13.5%
                Triple Crown 12% Supplement 24%
                Triple Crown 30% Supplement 10%

                Triple Crown 10 and 14 Performance 38%

                Southern States 12% (protein) Textured 23.8%
                Southern States 12% (protein) Pelleted 31.0%
                Legends Maturity-pelleted 19.6%
                Legends Performance Pelleted 12.9%
                Legends Performance Textured 28.5%
                Legends Show & Pleasure Textured 31.4%
                Legends Show & Pleasure Pelleted 29.1%
                Legends Fortified Rice bran extruded pellet 22.0%

                Reliance Pleasure Textured 44.8%
                Reliance Pleasure Pelleted 38.5%
                Reliance High Fat Textured 38.8%
                Reliance High Fat Pelleted 31.4%
                Reliance All Grain Textured 45.1%
                Reliance Hay Stretcher 28.5%

                Purina Athlete 45%
                Purina Strategy 26%
                Purina Equine Senior 22%
                Purina Adult 20%
                Purina Ultium 16%
                Purina Horse Chow 100 16%

                and... please keep in mind that just because a feed has low NSC doesn't make it "safe" for metabolic-issue horses. A LOW NSC fed in HIGH amounts (like Horse Chow 100 or Equine Senior) is not much different than a very SMALL amount of HIGH NSC.
                1 Cup (1/4 pound) of Purina Athlete at 45% is VERY VERY little Non-structural carbs.

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                • #9
                  just wanted to thank everyone who posted w/ this info- very helpful!!!

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by BornToRide View Post
                    How reliable are any of those sources/numbers? JB, Are they guranteed when it comes to processed feeds? I am asking because my gelding always gets too hot on alfalfa - he does not tolerate it at all, except in minor quantities and have seen similar problems in other horses as well around here, PNW.
                    Alfalfa is part of all my horses' diet, and if they were to appear any less hot, I'd be worried

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                    • #11
                      Does anyone know the NSC for orchard grass hay?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by grayarabs View Post
                        Does anyone know the NSC for orchard grass hay?
                        http://www.equi-analytical.com/CommonFeedProfiles/

                        That said, there is no set NSC for things like grass and hay, as there are too many variables. If it's of great concern for you/your horse, then you MUST get your particular hay tested.
                        ______________________________
                        The CoTH CYA - please consult w/your veterinarian under any and all circumstances. - ET

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by grayarabs View Post
                          Does anyone know the NSC for orchard grass hay?
                          I couldn't find an average but according to www.safergrass.org orchard grass hay is going to be higher in NSC like timothy, brome, etc. They have the highest genetic potential for NSC but what your orchard grass has as far as NSC is going to depend on the environmental conditions in which it was grown and WHEN it was cut (including time of day, how much rain there had been recently, etc.). You should check out the www.safergrass.org website to learn more about that.
                          Altamont Sport Horses
                          Trakehners * Knabstruppers * Appaloosa Sport Horses
                          Home of stallions: Ambrosius af Asgard "Atlantis" & Hollywood Hot Spot
                          Birmingham, AL

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                          • #14
                            Tks. I could not find the NSC for orchard grass - but wonder - if it is soaked and rinsed - that would remove much of the sugar, yes? (how long to soak?).

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                            • #15
                              Oh dang, OG isn't in that site is it

                              Yes, in general, cool-season grasses are going to be higher in NSC than warm season grasses, due to the weather they prefer - cooler nights with warm-ish sunny days, ie Spring and Fall. Warm-season grasses grow best in warm days AND warm nights. The warm nights help use up sugars accumulated during the day.

                              But, any given warm-season grass can be higher than a cool-season grass, all depending on the weather conditions in the couple of days leading up to cutting, the day of cutting, and when in the day the grass was cut.

                              That's why, if you're dealing with a metabolic horse, you either have to soak and drain, or you have to test. Assuming, based on the type of hay, doesn't cut it for those guys.
                              ______________________________
                              The CoTH CYA - please consult w/your veterinarian under any and all circumstances. - ET

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                              • #16
                                Found this one reference to orchard grass - which I will have to re-read numerous times to understand.......
                                http://www.ecmagazine.net/Summer07/CarbConfusion.htm

                                At the bottom is a chart which mentions cool season grasses including orchard grass.
                                Now one might wonder why a gal in S. Texas is asking about orchard grass - which to my knowledge has never been seen or been available these parts.
                                I have written about this before - my horse with COPD/allergies - had another allergy panel run last week - which will be another topic soon - and he is apparently OK for orchard grass - not much else. (he lives on alfalfa pellet/cube diet and is sick of it).
                                One cannot buy orchard grass hay here - for horses - but one can for bunnies!!!
                                Yes - at Petsmart one can buy small bags of hay for bunnies - are you ready? - $5.00
                                for 16 oz. bought a couple of bags - to feed as a treat - some handfuls that I soak and rinse repeatedly - and hand feed. Makes for a happy horse and a poorer owner.
                                But worth it!!! I have soaked/rinsed orchard and bermuda. The bermuda water rinses almost clear. The orchard grass has "color" requiring much more effort - more soaking and rinsing. Is that sugar or what???!!! Yes, I feel daft arriving at the barn with little bags of bunny hay.

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by luvmywalkers View Post
                                  Alfalfa is part of all my horses' diet, and if they were to appear any less hot, I'd be worried
                                  I rather have a sensible horse who can focus, which mine could no longer while on alfalfa and all he got was one flake AM PM with one flake of grass hay. He's sensitive and hot enough without it

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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by grayarabs View Post
                                    Found this one reference to orchard grass - which I will have to re-read Yes - at Petsmart one can buy small bags of hay for bunnies - are you ready? - $5.00
                                    for
                                    Gosh it might be cheaper for you to split a truckload with someone! I am sure OG could be grown in TX. It can be grown here in SC. It is more expensive because it reguires more maintenace but it isn't typically outragously more expensive!

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                                      #19
                                      Can anyone recommend some feeds that are lower in starch (under 20%) AND soy free? I have access to the following major: Purina, Nutrena, Triple Crown, FRM.
                                      Altamont Sport Horses
                                      Trakehners * Knabstruppers * Appaloosa Sport Horses
                                      Home of stallions: Ambrosius af Asgard "Atlantis" & Hollywood Hot Spot
                                      Birmingham, AL

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                                      • #20
                                        I just spoke to the nutritionist at Tribute Feed Co. He used to work for Buckeye.

                                        Their Kalm Performer had 21% NSC

                                        Kalm 'n 'EZ Pellets has 14%, and the textured is 18%

                                        I have their ingredients book here.....both have soybean oil. Why do you care?
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