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  • #21
    Originally posted by Crockpot View Post
    . . .
    The head goes up as the weight is shifted to the diagonally opposite hind. The video explained it pretty well I thought .
    The video absolutely agrees with my assertion.

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    • #22
      The video absolutely agrees with my assertion.
      No it does not. Did you watch it?

      You stated

      " In a trot, head down on LF would point to right hind"

      You also challenged me for saying the head nod could be indicative of front end lameness.

      The video asserts the head nod is most often indicative of front leg lameness. The weight is shifted off the sore front leg.

      Hilary Clayton seems to agree
      http://cvm.msu.edu/research/research...athletic-horse

      The head nod, used primarily to reduce loading of the lame forelimb, is a dynamic
      mechanism and timing of the oscillations relative to the limb movements is important.
      During stance, the trunk descends from contact to midstance. The neck, cantilevered in
      front of the body, also descends during the stance phase under control of the cervical
      musculature. In a sound horse, the head nods downwards slightly during each diagonal
      stance phase. In forelimb lameness, sinking of the head and neck is reduced or abolished
      during the lame diagonal stance phase, with a compensatory increase in the amount of
      lowering during the compensating diagonal stance phase. The head and neck are lifted
      during the later part of the compensating diagonal stance at the same time as these limbs
      are generating propulsion. The upward swing of the head and neck increases the force of
      the hoof against the ground, which helps to lift the trunk
      .

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      • #23
        Your failure to comprehend the difference in direction between UP and DOWN in relation to the context of the discussion is dully noted.

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        • #24


          I understand the distinction you are trying to make but either way it results in a head nod. Again I refer to your source, Hilary Clayton :

          The head nod, used primarily to reduce loading of the lame forelimb
          In forelimb lameness, sinking of the head and neck is reduced or abolished
          during the lame diagonal stance phase, with a compensatory increase in the amount of
          lowering during the compensating diagonal stance phase. The head and neck are lifted
          during the later part of the compensating diagonal stance
          at the same time as these limbs
          are generating propulsion
          I think we are going around in circles with heads bobbing.

          Sorry OP for the derailment of your thread.

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            #25
            Please don't apologize I'm grateful that knowledgeable people are taking the time to post. Every word is being scrutinised.
            Thank you

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            • #26
              The grammatical constructs and phrasing of Clayton's words as used in the above referenced quote could be construed to indicate that both limbs in a diagonal pair generate propulsion.

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              • #27
                Originally posted by Alexie View Post
                Please don't apologize I'm grateful that knowledgeable people are taking the time to post. Every word is being scrutinised.
                Thank you
                You might want to consider the "knowledge" of the parties involved from an epistemological point of view.

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                • Original Poster

                  #28
                  Update for anyone interested:
                  He's forming a splint on the front right.

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                  • #29
                    Talk about micro managing. Why does a question always become a HUGE issue. I just think it's sooooo funny, it happens all the time, look for the obvious folks before spouting.

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                    • #30
                      OP, here's a link that further explains the relationship between head bobbing and lameness: http://www.kumeuvets.co.nz/Articles/...0/Default.aspx Also: http://www.equinechronicle.com/healt...-lameness.html

                      In my experience when I see head bobbing it's usually indicative of front head lameness, but that could be because the hind end lameness I've dealt with were not horrible unless the horse was flexed.

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                      • #31
                        Update for anyone interested:
                        He's forming a splint on the front right.
                        Thanks for the update. Hope he is better soon.

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                        • Original Poster

                          #32
                          Thank you greyarabpony and crockpot ,hopefully he will be right soon

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