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  • #21
    and for the last month I have gotten serious about cavaletti- 5 days a week. Then he had 3 days off and when I came out yesterday, he kept "stumbling" with his hind legs on the lunge again.
    If he had an injury or serious issue I'd expect he'd get worse with exercise and improve with rest. Arthritis is the only condition that does the opposite, but you're treating for that already.
    It's possible he's just weak, particularly in the stifle, from habitually running around in his inverted, trailing posture. If he started to improve with proper exercise and then reverted with time off, that's a hint to you, isn't it? hills, cavaletti, lunge in side reins, ride him in a way that encourages him to step under and round up. Cheaper than futile vet visits- if he seems happy, and improves, great; if not, then go spend a fortune for a good workup.

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    • #22
      Originally posted by wendy View Post
      If he had an injury or serious issue I'd expect he'd get worse with exercise and improve with rest. Arthritis is the only condition that does the opposite, but you're treating for that already.
      Not true. EPSM/PSSM symptoms are also worse with less work.

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      • #23
        If you are close to Pilchuck, take him to Dr. Bryant. He is THE BEST LAMENESS VET. Absolutely 100% hands down.
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          #24
          Thank you all for your replies. I have found another vet & I'm just waiting to find out when he can come out. Will keep you all posted.
          Thanks again

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          • #25
            You could be talking about my horse so I'm really interested in finding out what happens with your's. I've gotten negative Lyme and EPM tests and flexed clean on the lameness exam. He did not pass hill part of the neurological exam and so we are treating with Rebalence even though the EPM was negative. I have always done pole work, hills and worked my guy correctly yet he still got worse with the tripping in back. He sounds like a flat tire at the trot and sometimes I can feel his hindend lift up under me but he can't keep it up long. I'm eager to find out what is wrong.

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            • #26
              I have not read the whole thread, but some of it sounds like torn hind suspensory.

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              • #27
                You can get a fresh approach from Dr. Kelli Taylor:
                http://www.mindfulhealingvet.com

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                • #28
                  OP, before you post on Dr. Deb's forum I recommend searching it first, because she will expect that you will have done that. Then, if you haven't found "the" answer, I second the suggestion to post it there.

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                  • #29
                    Wow, this sounds an awful lot like my Snuffy. Definitely keep us posted.

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                    • #30
                      My thought would be to haul the horse to a reputable vet clinic to visit a vet whom specializes in sports medicine.

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                      • #31
                        Interesting that you used the same title I did and got tons of answers while I got chastised for asking a question when 2 vets had not come up with a definite answer upon seeing the horse for the first time!
                        I hope you find an answer for your horse.
                        We are pretty close to a dx for ours.

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                        • #32
                          Does he go any better if you give him bute or a few days?
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                          • #33
                            I wonder about how he is with bute too.

                            Just to rule things out, have you tested his front feet for pain?

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                            • #34
                              Have any of these vets done a basic lameness exam (with or without blocks). If so, what were the findings?

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                              • #35
                                The unevenness and short striding at the trot sounds exactly like my horse when he had bilateral hind suspensory issues. He also did the whole tripping and slipping out thing with his hind legs in trot. It occasionally looked like he was catching a stifle. He too was misdiagnosed (hocks, stifles...) and we also tried lots of things such as Adequan, Legend injections into all hock joints, etc. to no avail.

                                I noticed lots of other people have mentioned suspensory issues as well...have you ruled out any lesions via ultrasound? Don't think you've commented on this. Have you done any nerve blocks? My horse never quite blocked sound.

                                Does he swing his hind legs toward the inside? That could be something to do with his hip bursa type area.
                                Originally posted by RugBug
                                Don't throw away opportunities because they aren't coming in exactly the form you want them to.

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                                • #36
                                  Another consideration might be Rainland Farm Equine Clinic. They have a bone scan which might be useful in determining the source of lameness in your horse. A bone scan would in hopefully light up the hot spots.

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                                    #37
                                    I have never buted him, so I don't know how he moves on Bute.
                                    We are going to do a full lameness exam here shortly, we're just still trying to work out a time when the vet can come out. I will keep you all posted on the findings. We did a lameness exam about 2 years ago I think, flexion tests and I think we did blocks too - I can't seem to remember for sure now . What we didn't do, however- was X-Rays. We'll be doing that this time. He didn't flex sound last time (actually 2 vets have done flexion tests on him), but their verdict was "just a little stiff". Also, I was wondering about "bilateral hind suspensory issues". I take it that it would get better with rest, and worse whith excerise? I find that he is very stiff in the beginning and losens up a bit as we go. I'm always careful to warm him up propperly at the beginning. Of course, he could have more than one thing wrong with him... How do you diagnose these suspensory issues?

                                    I have never heard of "fibrotic myopathy", but I'll bring it up to the vet when he comes out.

                                    Thanks again for all sugestions

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                                    • #38
                                      Originally posted by Daisydoo View Post
                                      I have never buted him, so I don't know how he moves on Bute.
                                      We are going to do a full lameness exam here shortly, we're just still trying to work out a time when the vet can come out. I will keep you all posted on the findings. We did a lameness exam about 2 years ago I think, flexion tests and I think we did blocks too - I can't seem to remember for sure now . What we didn't do, however- was X-Rays. We'll be doing that this time. He didn't flex sound last time (actually 2 vets have done flexion tests on him), but their verdict was "just a little stiff". Also, I was wondering about "bilateral hind suspensory issues". I take it that it would get better with rest, and worse whith excerise? I find that he is very stiff in the beginning and losens up a bit as we go. I'm always careful to warm him up propperly at the beginning. Of course, he could have more than one thing wrong with him... How do you diagnose these suspensory issues?

                                      I have never heard of "fibrotic myopathy", but I'll bring it up to the vet when he comes out.

                                      Thanks again for all sugestions
                                      Suspensory damage can only be diagnosed via ultrasound. Suspensory injuries usually do "improve" dramatically with a short time off, but they take close to a year of rest followed by slow recondtioning to fully heal.

                                      In the early stages of suspensory problems, a horse can appear to "work out of" the soreness. Eventually, when the problem becomes bad enough, the horse will remain lame throughout the entire ride.

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                                      • #39
                                        I rode one that matches that description --its like the hind end was a disconnected. In asking a few questions, I found out the horse had reared in the trailer and hit is poll hard as a young horse. I think there was permanent damage done.

                                        That said, I have found that going to a University with a challenging case is often the best route...they have specialists and a lot of the diagnostic tools that you may need to get to the bottom of it. We are very blessed to have Ohio State close by here. I am often puzzled why more folks don't go there when something like this presents itself.

                                        Nancy
                                        www.canterusa.org

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                                        • #40
                                          Any update on this?

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