• Welcome to the Chronicle Forums.
    Please complete your profile. The forums and the rest of www.chronofhorse.com has single sign-in, so your log in information for one will automatically work for the other. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are the views of the individual and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of The Chronicle of the Horse.

Announcement

Collapse

Forum rules and no-advertising policy

As a participant on this forum, it is your responsibility to know and follow our rules. Please read this message in its entirety.

Board Rules

1. You’re responsible for what you say.
As outlined in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, The Chronicle of the Horse and its affiliates, as well Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., the developers of vBulletin, are not legally responsible for statements made in the forums.

This is a public forum viewed by a wide spectrum of people, so please be mindful of what you say and who might be reading it—details of personal disputes are likely better handled privately. While posters are legally responsible for their statements, the moderators may in their discretion remove or edit posts that violate these rules. Users have the ability to modify or delete their own messages after posting, but administrators generally will not delete posts, threads or accounts upon request.

Outright inflammatory, vulgar, harassing, malicious or otherwise inappropriate statements and criminal charges unsubstantiated by a reputable news source or legal documentation will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of the moderators.

2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.
The forums are a wonderful source of information and support for members of the horse community. While it’s understandably tempting to share information or search for input on other topics upon which members might have a similar level of knowledge, members must maintain the focus on horses.

3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.

4. No advertising in the discussion forums.
Posts in the discussion forums directly or indirectly advertising horses, jobs, items or services for sale or wanted will be removed at the discretion of the moderators. Use of the private messaging feature or email addresses obtained through users’ profiles for unsolicited advertising is not permitted.

Company representatives may participate in discussions and answer questions about their products or services, or suggest their products on recent threads if they fulfill the criteria of a query. False "testimonials" provided by company affiliates posing as general consumers are not appropriate, and self-promotion of sales, ad campaigns, etc. through the discussion forums is not allowed.

Paid advertising is available on our classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.

Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:

Horses – Only general discussion about the buying, leasing, selling and pricing of horses is permitted. If the post contains, or links to, the type of specific information typically found in a sales or wanted ad, and it’s related to a horse for sale, regardless of who’s selling it, it doesn’t belong in the discussion forums.

Stallions – Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.

Services – Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.

Products – While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.

Event Announcements – Members may post one notification of an upcoming event that may be of interest to fellow members, if the original poster does not benefit financially from the event. Such threads may not be “bumped” excessively. Premium members may post their own notices in the Event Announcements forum.

Charities/Rescues – Announcements for charitable or fundraising events can only be made for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations. Special exceptions may be made, at the moderators’ discretion and direction, for board-related events or fundraising activities in extraordinary circumstances.

Occasional posts regarding horses available for adoption through IRS-registered horse rescue or placement programs are permitted in the appropriate forums, but these threads may be limited at the discretion of the moderators. Individuals may not advertise or make announcements for horses in need of rescue, placement or adoption unless the horse is available through a recognized rescue or placement agency or government-run entity or the thread fits the criteria for and is located in the Giveaways forum.

5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.

6. Respect other members.
As members are often passionate about their beliefs and intentions can easily be misinterpreted in this type of environment, try to explore or resolve the inevitable disagreements that arise in the course of threads calmly and rationally.

If you see a post that you feel violates the rules of the board, please click the “alert” button (exclamation point inside of a triangle) in the bottom left corner of the post, which will alert ONLY the moderators to the post in question. They will then take whatever action, or no action, as deemed appropriate for the situation at their discretion. Do not air grievances regarding other posters or the moderators in the discussion forums.

Please be advised that adding another user to your “Ignore” list via your User Control Panel can be a useful tactic, which blocks posts and private messages by members whose commentary you’d rather avoid reading.

7. We have the right to reproduce statements made in the forums.
The Chronicle of the Horse may copy, quote, link to or otherwise reproduce posts, or portions of posts, in print or online for advertising or editorial purposes, if attributed to their original authors, and by posting in this forum, you hereby grant to The Chronicle of the Horse a perpetual, non-exclusive license under copyright and other rights, to do so.

8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.
The moderators may delete, edit, move or close any post or thread at any time, or refrain from doing any of the foregoing, in their discretion, and may suspend or revoke a user’s membership privileges at any time to maintain adherence to the rules and the general spirit of the forum. These rules may be amended at any time to address the current needs of the board.

Please see our full Terms of Service and Privacy Policy for more information.

Thanks for being a part of the COTH forums!

(Revised 1/26/16)
See more
See less

Not an abscess... so what else could it be??!

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Not an abscess... so what else could it be??!

    17 year old gelding with pretty bad ringbone in both front pasterns came up very, very lame in RF two and a half weeks ago. Vet came out, blocked low in his foot (was sound), poked around and said it was corruption in the hoof wall and to have my trimmer come fix that up. Trimmer came out, couldn't find anything to indicate an abscess or anything that explained the lameness.

    He has elevated pulses but is not very reactive to hoof testers (slightly, but not as sensitive as he should be for this kind of lameness). Not really suspicious of the ringbone because of how low he was blocked, and because of the sudden onset/severity - his ringbone is usually a totally different type of lameness than what I'm seeing here. Scheduling xrays next week, but in the meantime, what else can cause really bad foot pain?
    http://makemineadraft.blogspot.com

  • #2
    Well, since you asked...I have had a horse go very lame and block to the foot with a collateral ligament injury, and with a deep digital flexor tendon injury. The former we could see on ultrasound; the latter only on MRI (although you can see some of the DDFT on ultrasound, so it depends on location).
    If it's really not an abscess type thing I would be prepared at a minimum to ultrasound and not just xray...
    Good luck and jingles that it's an abscess after all...
    The big man -- my lost prince

    The little brother, now my main man

    Comment


    • #3
      Everything I have read recently has said that blocking solely the hoof is very difficult. It used to be that we thought we could block just the heels. It seems that even a "good" PD block often migrates much further afield. I would guess that at minimum, the horse's pastern was also numb.
      I'd be suspicious of something upsetting the ringbone and making him lame. Could be as innocuous as just stepping wrong and getting it inflamed, or as bad as breaking off some of the ossification, or injuring a ligament that is impinged upon.
      OR it could be unrelated.
      As Peter, Paul, and Mary say, a dragon lives forever.

      Comment


      • #4
        Keebler had a DDFT/navicular bursa tear that blocked down to the heel. Lots of moving parts in there . . .
        Click here before you buy.

        Comment


        • #5
          Originally posted by deltawave View Post
          Keebler had a DDFT/navicular bursa tear that blocked down to the heel. Lots of moving parts in there . . .
          How (did?) it heal?

          Comment


          • #6
            Have you ever looked at the diagram of all the tendons and ligaments in a foot? Very complex in there and a lot to go wrong. Mine blocks to show foot pain, nothing obvious on xrays. He is going in for MRI on Monday. Only way to get good diagnosis IMO.
            Rest in peace Claudius, we will miss you.

            Comment


            • #7
              How much is an MRI for a horse? Ballpark?
              Proud & Permanent Student Of The Long Road
              Read me: EN (http://eventingnation.com/author/annemarch/) and HJU (http://horsejunkiesunited.com/author/holly-covey/)

              Comment


              • #8
                Bigger footed horses don't always react as much as you would expect to hoof testers. Whatever is causing the lameness, it would probably be a good idea to at least soak the foot a few times a day for a few days.

                What is corruption of the hoof wall? It sounds like a term your vet made up.
                Eric Russell CJF

                Comment


                • #9
                  My horse is on stall rest for a P3 fracture of his coffin bone that we initially thought was an abscess and looked alot like your issue.

                  Came on suddenly after he ripped his shoe off in his stall. First only off at the trot. Presented as an abscess, sudden lameness with a strong digital pulse. Was not reactive to hoof testers but he did eventually blow an abscess out in the frog groove.
                  Farrier put shoe back on, head bobbing at the walk.

                  Vet found the abnormal spot on the wing of his coffin bone with x-rays.
                  "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated." --Ghandi

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    DDFT tear
                    collateral ligament tear
                    Stone Bruise
                    bruised coffin bone
                    fractured coffin bone
                    Laminitis (if it is bilateral)

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      Originally posted by retreadeventer View Post
                      How much is an MRI for a horse? Ballpark?
                      I think most of the people I know who've had a MRI done on one hoof/leg of their horse around here have paid $1200-$1500 or so.
                      "In order to really enjoy a dog, one doesn’t merely train him to be semi-human. The point of it is to open oneself to the possibility of becoming part dog."
                      -Edward Hoagland

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Pippigirl View Post
                        How (did?) it heal?
                        Surgery and 9 months of slow rehab. He's fine. He was diagnosed by MRI.

                        Long discussions on my blog from July-September 2010 www.hearthorse.blogspot.com
                        Click here before you buy.

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          Originally posted by eruss View Post
                          Bigger footed horses don't always react as much as you would expect to hoof testers. Whatever is causing the lameness, it would probably be a good idea to at least soak the foot a few times a day for a few days.

                          What is corruption of the hoof wall? It sounds like a term your vet made up.
                          This happened to my horse. The hoof test was inconclusive. The vet had blocked the foot so he knew the pain was coming from there, but he advised me to wait a week before doing the xray because he suspected it was an abscess. In fact, the abscess erupted about five days later.
                          "Random capitAlization really Makes my day." -- AndNirina

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            I just did an MRI and it was $1000 for the MRI and $700 for the consult. Thank goodness for insurance!

                            Comment

                            Working...
                            X