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  • #21
    I was sort of being tongue in cheek about the phytoestrogens in flax. The amount that would be in a cup or two of flax seeds is MINIMAL, and highly, highly unlikely to turn a 1000 pound horse's endocrine system upside down.

    Remember that as mares get older they often show very different signs of the beginning of their yearly estrous cycle. The way they behave at 3 is often VASTLY different than how they behave at 8 or 15.

    Don't rule out springtime foolishness just yet--far more likely than the amount of estrogen in a few ounces of flax to be the root of her behavior. And also remember that estrus behavior is not necessarily pathological or a sign of "problems" but part of an animal's normal behavior. Even if it's inconvenient for us, it's perfectly natural.
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      #22
      Thank you all for the responses.
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      • #23
        deltawave: Thanks for the info. I know I feed very little flax, so probably not enough to make a difference, but it has been the only change in years.

        Just thought I would jump on the flax-bandwagon even though my mare is slick and shiny. Not sure what I was trying to accomplish, just felt she was the only horse in the world not getting flax.

        Will let it go for now to see if it is just a "spring" thing. She doesn't look too bad.
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        • #24
          My gelding is intolerant of flax. It didn't seem like it caused any hormonal problems but it gives him diarrhea. Not fun with a white tail. I tried him out on the chia seeds last year, and while they didnt upset his stomach they are very pricey and I just couldnt rationalize the cost.

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          • #25
            I feed 1/2 c twice a day, whole to both my guys. they have winter coats that are as shiny as summer coats. Everyone is jealous!

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            • #26
              http://www.triplecrownfeed.com/suppl...s-horse-health

              Does anyone feed Triple Crown's flax? Curious how this compares to other brands/sources.

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              • #27
                Originally posted by ryansgirl View Post
                http://www.triplecrownfeed.com/suppl...s-horse-health

                Does anyone feed Triple Crown's flax? Curious how this compares to other brands/sources.

                I started with this, but it was $30 for 25lbs. I could get 50 lbs of whole flax seeds for only $2.00 more. So, the switch was made to whole flax since it was $0.64 per pound versus $1.20/lb of the TC flax supplement.

                The TC stuff became goopy if mixed with water.
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                • #28
                  Just out of curiosity, why are people boiling, grinding and soaking when you can buy "stabilized" ground flax that doesn't go rancid. I add hot water to all my horses feeds just because I have some older guys and the ground flax mixes right in, they love it.
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                  • #29
                    More to the point, why are people doing any of this when you can feed flax seed whole and then not worry about it going rancid?

                    Originally posted by Eventer55 View Post
                    Just out of curiosity, why are people boiling, grinding and soaking when you can buy "stabilized" ground flax that doesn't go rancid. I add hot water to all my horses feeds just because I have some older guys and the ground flax mixes right in, they love it.
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                    • #30
                      Originally posted by Bogie View Post
                      More to the point, why are people doing any of this when you can feed flax seed whole and then not worry about it going rancid?
                      And it's easier and cheaper :-) and works just as well!
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                      • #31
                        Originally posted by Bogie View Post
                        More to the point, why are people doing any of this when you can feed flax seed whole and then not worry about it going rancid?
                        It is *slightly* more bioavailable when ground. Remedied easily by just feeding a little bit more of the whole seeds. But those who grind feel morally superior to those who don't, so just leave them alone!
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                        • #32
                          I feed it whole, between 1/2 and 1 cup per horse per day, depending on what else they get. Mine is fed dry with all their other supplements, just mixed in at feeding time with the small amount of soaked timothy pellets or beet pulp that each get so it all holds together. We buy the 50 lb. bag at the feed store, which is the most economical -- I think it was $37 the last time we got it, and it lasts quite a while at the rate I feed, but I don't have to worry about it going bad since it is whole.

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                          • #33
                            Originally posted by Bogie View Post
                            More to the point, why are people doing any of this when you can feed flax seed whole and then not worry about it going rancid?
                            I feed ground because all my horses get their feed as a mash with lots of hot water and the whole seeds stick to the sides of the buckets and to their
                            noses They stick like crazy glue!!!
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                            • #34
                              I soak my horses' feed too. I find the odd flax seed stuck to their noses, but for the most part it ends up in their stomachs .

                              I'd far rather pay $37/50 pounds of whole flax than $100 for Horseshine or something similar. Plus, I can order it with my feed!

                              Originally posted by Eventer55 View Post
                              I feed ground because all my horses get their feed as a mash with lots of hot water and the whole seeds stick to the sides of the buckets and to their
                              noses They stick like crazy glue!!!
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                              • #35
                                I cook it cause I read a report - long ago so don't ask me where - that said that is the way to get maximum benefit from it. Do I know that for sure - no. I also cook it cause it makes me feel good, is easily digestible, I don't have to grind it. Just what I prefer to do.

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                                • #36
                                  Deltawave, you mentioned this regarding mares' estrous cycles:

                                  "The way they behave at 3 is often VASTLY different than how they behave at 8 or 15. "

                                  I'm looking at buying a 5 year old mare who seems to be very sweet.........tell me, do they typically get better with age......or worse? (i.e., more marish, etc)

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                                  • #37
                                    I'm going to say, based on my experience of owning 5 mares and boarding several others over the past 15 years (and no doubt people with many more mares than this could add more weight to this opinion, or not!) "it depends". Most of mine that I've had through their younger years were quiet as could be until age 4-5, then went through a few more or less "demonstrative" years until around age 10-12. But I had one who was actually very demonstrative to other horses when in estrus all her life, but an ANGEL to ride when in heat, and another who appears to be getting more hussy-like as she approaches age 15 and is goofy as heck when in season. So . . . it depends.

                                    If I may be forgiven some anthropomorphism, I do thing that IN GENERAL adolescent and young-adult horses of the non-neutered variety are more likely to make a fuss about their sex lives than middle-aged individuals, at least in terms of how it affects their day to day behavior.
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                                    • #38
                                      My boy gets a cup of Omega Horseshine a day and is the talk of the barn for his shiny coat. My only misgiving is how fattening it must be as he is the easiest keeper TB in the world and starting to be too fat.
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                                      • #39
                                        Even a cup of pure fat is only a few hundred calories. Less than what's in a decent-sized flake of hay.
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                                        • #40
                                          Originally posted by autumn50 View Post
                                          Deltawave, you mentioned this regarding mares' estrous cycles:

                                          "The way they behave at 3 is often VASTLY different than how they behave at 8 or 15. "

                                          I'm looking at buying a 5 year old mare who seems to be very sweet.........tell me, do they typically get better with age......or worse? (i.e., more marish, etc)
                                          I can tell you that the 27 yr old TB mare that boards at my barn has definitely gotten worse with age. I constantly hear from her owner "she wasn't always like this!" as maresy is jigging or spooking or refusing to go somewhere or trying to kill the geldings.
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