• Welcome to the Chronicle Forums.
    Please complete your profile. The forums and the rest of www.chronofhorse.com has single sign-in, so your log in information for one will automatically work for the other. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are the views of the individual and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of The Chronicle of the Horse.



Forum rules and no-advertising policy

As a participant on this forum, it is your responsibility to know and follow our rules. Please read this message in its entirety.

Board Rules

1. You’re responsible for what you say.
As outlined in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, The Chronicle of the Horse and its affiliates, as well Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., the developers of vBulletin, are not legally responsible for statements made in the forums.

This is a public forum viewed by a wide spectrum of people, so please be mindful of what you say and who might be reading it—details of personal disputes are likely better handled privately. While posters are legally responsible for their statements, the moderators may in their discretion remove or edit posts that violate these rules. Users have the ability to modify or delete their own messages after posting, but administrators generally will not delete posts, threads or accounts upon request.

Outright inflammatory, vulgar, harassing, malicious or otherwise inappropriate statements and criminal charges unsubstantiated by a reputable news source or legal documentation will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of the moderators.

2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.
The forums are a wonderful source of information and support for members of the horse community. While it’s understandably tempting to share information or search for input on other topics upon which members might have a similar level of knowledge, members must maintain the focus on horses.

3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.

4. No advertising in the discussion forums.
Posts in the discussion forums directly or indirectly advertising horses, jobs, items or services for sale or wanted will be removed at the discretion of the moderators. Use of the private messaging feature or email addresses obtained through users’ profiles for unsolicited advertising is not permitted.

Company representatives may participate in discussions and answer questions about their products or services, or suggest their products on recent threads if they fulfill the criteria of a query. False "testimonials" provided by company affiliates posing as general consumers are not appropriate, and self-promotion of sales, ad campaigns, etc. through the discussion forums is not allowed.

Paid advertising is available on our classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.

Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:

Horses – Only general discussion about the buying, leasing, selling and pricing of horses is permitted. If the post contains, or links to, the type of specific information typically found in a sales or wanted ad, and it’s related to a horse for sale, regardless of who’s selling it, it doesn’t belong in the discussion forums.

Stallions – Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.

Services – Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.

Products – While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.

Event Announcements – Members may post one notification of an upcoming event that may be of interest to fellow members, if the original poster does not benefit financially from the event. Such threads may not be “bumped” excessively. Premium members may post their own notices in the Event Announcements forum.

Charities/Rescues – Announcements for charitable or fundraising events can only be made for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations. Special exceptions may be made, at the moderators’ discretion and direction, for board-related events or fundraising activities in extraordinary circumstances.

Occasional posts regarding horses available for adoption through IRS-registered horse rescue or placement programs are permitted in the appropriate forums, but these threads may be limited at the discretion of the moderators. Individuals may not advertise or make announcements for horses in need of rescue, placement or adoption unless the horse is available through a recognized rescue or placement agency or government-run entity or the thread fits the criteria for and is located in the Giveaways forum.

5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.

6. Respect other members.
As members are often passionate about their beliefs and intentions can easily be misinterpreted in this type of environment, try to explore or resolve the inevitable disagreements that arise in the course of threads calmly and rationally.

If you see a post that you feel violates the rules of the board, please click the “alert” button (exclamation point inside of a triangle) in the bottom left corner of the post, which will alert ONLY the moderators to the post in question. They will then take whatever action, or no action, as deemed appropriate for the situation at their discretion. Do not air grievances regarding other posters or the moderators in the discussion forums.

Please be advised that adding another user to your “Ignore” list via your User Control Panel can be a useful tactic, which blocks posts and private messages by members whose commentary you’d rather avoid reading.

7. We have the right to reproduce statements made in the forums.
The Chronicle of the Horse may copy, quote, link to or otherwise reproduce posts, or portions of posts, in print or online for advertising or editorial purposes, if attributed to their original authors, and by posting in this forum, you hereby grant to The Chronicle of the Horse a perpetual, non-exclusive license under copyright and other rights, to do so.

8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.
The moderators may delete, edit, move or close any post or thread at any time, or refrain from doing any of the foregoing, in their discretion, and may suspend or revoke a user’s membership privileges at any time to maintain adherence to the rules and the general spirit of the forum. These rules may be amended at any time to address the current needs of the board.

Please see our full Terms of Service and Privacy Policy for more information.

Thanks for being a part of the COTH forums!

(Revised 1/26/16)
See more
See less

High Fat for a young horse?

  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • High Fat for a young horse?

    I have a young horse (turning 3) that is going to be starting under saddle. She is small, and since a yearling has always been very level in her growth (no major growth spurts). She has already started ground work (driving etc) and will be doing light under saddle work in the next month or two.

    She is a little on the thin side, but just mildly so. I would like to put her on a concentrate to allow her to gain weight while in training.

    I was thinking a 14% fat, 14% fibre and 14% protein feed. They also will be on an alflafa/grass hay mix. Does this sound like an appropriate feed program for a just mildly underweight (and no muscle) young horse?

    Edited to add, before she moved to the training farm she was on 12% protein 8% fat general sweet feed only during winter months, otherwise she was on hay only.

  • #2
    Well... Take it for what it's worth, but I like a higher fat than 14 percent. I'm switching my 4yo to Amplify because top dressing his current ration balancer + alfalfa pellets with oil just isn't cutting it, especially with him going through ANOTHER growing stage.

    And you don't mention WHAT this feed is, that 14/14/14 could be loaded with sugar, which no one here will recommend for a growing horse about to go into training.
    COTH's official mini-donk enabler

    "I am all for reaching out, but in some situations it needs to be done with a rolled up news paper." Alagirl


    • #3
      Absolutely, add fat...starting with 1/4 cup a day until you reach 2 cups/day. Cut back as you see fit.

      Once my homebreds started in work and needed extra calories, I have always gone to the oil first, rather than grain.

      BTW, all of my youngsters (including weanlings) were raised on a high fat diet. A minimal amount of low carb feed, good quality hay, ration balancer and oil (canola).

      Most are in their late teens and 20's now and doing great. Fat served them well for extra calories, rather than grain overloading.

      That said, since she's not at home, her caregivers may not to mess with adding oil. I'd go with the 14% fat feed for sure. I like the fiber level of the feed you describe as well. I'd prefer 12% protein, but 14% should be no problem. Going on the feed you describe, I'd cut the alfalfa forage and give her a high quality, straight grass hay.
      www.littlebullrun@aol.com See Little Bull Run's stallions at:
      "Argosy" - YouTube and "Boleem" - YouTube
      Boleem @ 1993 National Dressage Symposium - YouTube


      • Original Poster

        I was thinking this: http://www.buckeyenutrition.com/perf...nce-ultra.aspx Cadence Ultra by Buckeye.

        I can always add ultimate finish to increase fat if thats suggested.

        The hay is excellent quality, alfalfa/timothy grass in the winter and more of a timothy grass in the summer. They get free choice. I have no concerns that in time with the good hay she will gain weight (she has not been on the best hay this year at the old place). However I would like to give her a head start with the concentrates now that she is in some work. They prefer not to do oil as its messy and doesnt keep well in the warmer weather.


        • #5
          I really don't like the NSC levels. Hmm...don't they have a low carb, high fat feed?

          What other feed manufacturedo you have access to and that can be delivered?

          Pennfield makes an outstanding feed that I have used for horses of all ages over the last 15 years. "Fibergized". Low carb, beet pulp based, high fat. Now that make it with even higher fat...called Fibergized Omega.

          Now that mine are older they are all on Pennfield Senior Energized Choice (beet pulp based with high fat).

          But for your girl at this stage of life I'd try to find something comprable to Fibergized Omega. I've used many feeds over the last 25 years but I always come back to Pennfield for horses of all ages and in various stages of growth and work.

          Hope this helps.
          www.littlebullrun@aol.com See Little Bull Run's stallions at:
          "Argosy" - YouTube and "Boleem" - YouTube
          Boleem @ 1993 National Dressage Symposium - YouTube


          • Original Poster

            Not sure if we get Pennfield in Canada? Can you recommend any other similar foods? Whats wrong with NCS levels (sorry, I really have no idea!).


            • #7
              If you'll post the formulated horse feeds that are available in your area -- by manufacturer.

              That's a great start. Obviously you have Buckeye. What others?
              www.littlebullrun@aol.com See Little Bull Run's stallions at:
              "Argosy" - YouTube and "Boleem" - YouTube
              Boleem @ 1993 National Dressage Symposium - YouTube


              • Original Poster

                These are the ones that I have used in the past and are readily accessable for me:
                Brooks (KER)


                • #9
                  Personally, I'd go with Brooks (KER) Fibre Omega Plus. When I looked at Brooks (KER) feed line, personally I'd go with their Fibre Omega Plus (low carb, high fiber, high fat.)

                  Sounds very close to Pennfield Fibergized Omega, which was also formulated by KER years ago, and was the product I fed all my young horses throughout their lives (until switching to their Senior, which most of them are now). Terrific feed.

                  Hope this helps.
                  www.littlebullrun@aol.com See Little Bull Run's stallions at:
                  "Argosy" - YouTube and "Boleem" - YouTube
                  Boleem @ 1993 National Dressage Symposium - YouTube


                  • #10
                    Originally posted by SquishTheBunny View Post
                    Not sure if we get Pennfield in Canada? Can you recommend any other similar foods? Whats wrong with NCS levels (sorry, I really have no idea!).
                    NSC are basically empty calories with no nutritional value. Even if a particular horse doesn't have a problem processing sugar there is no benefit to feeding empty calories.
                    McDowell Racing Stables

                    Home Away From Home


                    • #11
                      I can't get much other than a regional field called LMF, then Nutrena and Purina. I'm about to give Purina Amplify a go. Dr Beth Valentine likes it, for those who want high fat/low NSC.
                      COTH's official mini-donk enabler

                      "I am all for reaching out, but in some situations it needs to be done with a rolled up news paper." Alagirl


                      • Original Poster

                        Thanks, I should be able to get the fibre omega plus. I'll give that a try!