• Welcome to the Chronicle Forums.
    Please complete your profile. The forums and the rest of www.chronofhorse.com has single sign-in, so your log in information for one will automatically work for the other. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are the views of the individual and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of The Chronicle of the Horse.

Announcement

Collapse

Forum rules and no-advertising policy

As a participant on this forum, it is your responsibility to know and follow our rules. Please read this message in its entirety.

Board Rules

1. You’re responsible for what you say.
As outlined in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, The Chronicle of the Horse and its affiliates, as well Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., the developers of vBulletin, are not legally responsible for statements made in the forums.

This is a public forum viewed by a wide spectrum of people, so please be mindful of what you say and who might be reading it—details of personal disputes are likely better handled privately. While posters are legally responsible for their statements, the moderators may in their discretion remove or edit posts that violate these rules. Users have the ability to modify or delete their own messages after posting, but administrators generally will not delete posts, threads or accounts upon request.

Outright inflammatory, vulgar, harassing, malicious or otherwise inappropriate statements and criminal charges unsubstantiated by a reputable news source or legal documentation will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of the moderators.

2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.
The forums are a wonderful source of information and support for members of the horse community. While it’s understandably tempting to share information or search for input on other topics upon which members might have a similar level of knowledge, members must maintain the focus on horses.

3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.

4. No advertising in the discussion forums.
Posts in the discussion forums directly or indirectly advertising horses, jobs, items or services for sale or wanted will be removed at the discretion of the moderators. Use of the private messaging feature or email addresses obtained through users’ profiles for unsolicited advertising is not permitted.

Company representatives may participate in discussions and answer questions about their products or services, or suggest their products on recent threads if they fulfill the criteria of a query. False "testimonials" provided by company affiliates posing as general consumers are not appropriate, and self-promotion of sales, ad campaigns, etc. through the discussion forums is not allowed.

Paid advertising is available on our classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.

Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:

Horses – Only general discussion about the buying, leasing, selling and pricing of horses is permitted. If the post contains, or links to, the type of specific information typically found in a sales or wanted ad, and it’s related to a horse for sale, regardless of who’s selling it, it doesn’t belong in the discussion forums.

Stallions – Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.

Services – Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.

Products – While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.

Event Announcements – Members may post one notification of an upcoming event that may be of interest to fellow members, if the original poster does not benefit financially from the event. Such threads may not be “bumped” excessively. Premium members may post their own notices in the Event Announcements forum.

Charities/Rescues – Announcements for charitable or fundraising events can only be made for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations. Special exceptions may be made, at the moderators’ discretion and direction, for board-related events or fundraising activities in extraordinary circumstances.

Occasional posts regarding horses available for adoption through IRS-registered horse rescue or placement programs are permitted in the appropriate forums, but these threads may be limited at the discretion of the moderators. Individuals may not advertise or make announcements for horses in need of rescue, placement or adoption unless the horse is available through a recognized rescue or placement agency or government-run entity or the thread fits the criteria for and is located in the Giveaways forum.

5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.

6. Respect other members.
As members are often passionate about their beliefs and intentions can easily be misinterpreted in this type of environment, try to explore or resolve the inevitable disagreements that arise in the course of threads calmly and rationally.

If you see a post that you feel violates the rules of the board, please click the “alert” button (exclamation point inside of a triangle) in the bottom left corner of the post, which will alert ONLY the moderators to the post in question. They will then take whatever action, or no action, as deemed appropriate for the situation at their discretion. Do not air grievances regarding other posters or the moderators in the discussion forums.

Please be advised that adding another user to your “Ignore” list via your User Control Panel can be a useful tactic, which blocks posts and private messages by members whose commentary you’d rather avoid reading.

7. We have the right to reproduce statements made in the forums.
The Chronicle of the Horse may copy, quote, link to or otherwise reproduce posts, or portions of posts, in print or online for advertising or editorial purposes, if attributed to their original authors, and by posting in this forum, you hereby grant to The Chronicle of the Horse a perpetual, non-exclusive license under copyright and other rights, to do so.

8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.
The moderators may delete, edit, move or close any post or thread at any time, or refrain from doing any of the foregoing, in their discretion, and may suspend or revoke a user’s membership privileges at any time to maintain adherence to the rules and the general spirit of the forum. These rules may be amended at any time to address the current needs of the board.

Please see our full Terms of Service and Privacy Policy for more information.

Thanks for being a part of the COTH forums!

(Revised 1/26/16)
See more
See less

Labs that can analyze feed for Monensin?

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Labs that can analyze feed for Monensin?

    I'll break my 'don't post during work hours' rule for a very work - related post (Hi IT head and Hi Boss!). HOrse people are most careful about monensin so I'll put it in HC and not in the Menagerie. Some of you remember our feed saga - drought took out the corn, our sheep and senior feeds got wet and molded in transport, the locally produced stuff has monensin in it. A couple new farm stores just opened in Port and the other horse owner on campus went to them. Apparently one had US$20 feed and the other had US$10 feed marked for all animals - drawing of a horse head next to sheep, rabbit, pig, cow, chicken, etc and made in the Dominican Republic. No ticket, no ingredient list. Being green to livestock, of course he got the cheap stuff which SHOULD correspond to the $12 general feeds in the US.

    I tried half that half wheat bran for the sheep, just a quart total between three of them. They fought over it the first feeding. Second day only one ate and one sniffed, one wouldn't look at the pan and looked like he felt 'meh' distinctly rather than his usual active self. Interest was directly related to who ate the most the day before. Today none will touch a 50/50 mix. Of course, I'm inclined to ditch the bag to a chicken producer and go back to wheat bran. But I need something to supplement the cornstalk we can get right now, especially for the sheep.

    I suspect this 'all animal feed' may still have monensin in it, and not just be unpalatable, given they liked it the first day and seemed to feel off the next. Import laws are tightening up plus the ruined feed fiasco so I'd like a local source. But if I buy from a Hispaniola based source I'd like to KNOW if there is monensin.

    Does anyone know of a lab I can send feed to and have it analyzed for monensin/ rumensin, not just nutrition? I can get a sample out for analysis esp. in the next week if I know where to send it. And about how much does the lab you know of cost for this analysis, if you know?
    HAS provides hospital care to 340,000 people in Haiti's Artibonite Valley 24/7/365/earthquake/cholera/whatever.
    www.hashaiti.org blog:http://hashaiti.org/blog

  • #2
    I do not know for sure, but Equi-analytical might.
    Jeanie
    RIP Sasha, best dog ever, pictured shortly before she died, Death either by euthanasia or natural causes is only the end of the animal inhabiting its body; I believe the spirit lives on.

    Comment


    • #3
      Equi Analytical should be able to do it. They are the sister to Dairy One, which is the dairy lab.

      Please make sure you don't go near your horses with the feed because it does not take much rumensin to kill horses!
      "You can't fix stupid"- Ron White

      Comment

      • Original Poster

        #4
        Thanks for the suggestion. Equi-Analytical doesn't list monensin contamination testing but I can email them, surely they get industry requests for that. I found a phone number on the bag and speak spanish so I can call and ask. Given the quality control attitudes I've personally seen on both sides of the border, and the low tolerance of ponies for monensin, I'd still love a chemist's opinion.

        The bran and the mystery feed are kept completely apart and I'm not feeding the mystery feed to anyone - especially the pony. I've also warned the other pony owner not to try it yet. If I do get into Port on Friday I will try to get a chance to stop by and see what the other feed is, and if it can be trusted. What I'd really like is access to some sort of protein meal so I can make my own feed and be sure of what's in it.

        Off to read the soy thread!
        HAS provides hospital care to 340,000 people in Haiti's Artibonite Valley 24/7/365/earthquake/cholera/whatever.
        www.hashaiti.org blog:http://hashaiti.org/blog

        Comment


        • #5
          If you start running into brick walls...

          These guys sell a test: http://www.abraxiskits.com/search.php?q=monensin

          It looks to be more complex than something you could do yourself, but you might be able to contact them for a list of companies they sell to, or might recommend?

          Another company with a test:

          http://www.biooscientific.com/Detail...rinary%20Drugs

          Comment


          • #6
            Any toxicology lab should be able to test for it. I'd start with a vet school since you KNOW they're familiar with dealing with agricultural products. Just a few with webpages I pulled up super quickly.

            https://www.addl.purdue.edu/

            http://www.cahfs.ucdavis.edu/services/toxicology.cfm

            http://ahdc.vet.cornell.edu/Sects/toxic/

            http://toxicology.tamu.edu/environme...ary-toxicology

            If there's no luck, there's private companies that do toxicology testing as well. Just google search.

            Best of luck... mysteries are no fun.
            Don't fall for a girl who fell for a horse just to be number two in her world... ~EFO

            Comment

            • Original Poster

              #7
              Well, Equi-Analytical says they can't test for Monensin. I'm trying to find out if Ohio State U has that capacity, since we have someone going to Columbus next week. If they can't, I'll work through your links...

              And since I have to go to Port Friday, I'll try to check out the other feed store and look for a straight protein source.

              Well, Perdue can do qualitative analysis - that would be yes/no? Quantitative tests they send to UC Davis. For about $60. On just this one batch.

              So since I have to go to Port Friday, I'll try to check out the other feed store and look for a straight protein source or that other feed. Sigh.
              Last edited by HorsesinHaiti; Mar. 20, 2013, 10:48 PM. Reason: found more info.
              HAS provides hospital care to 340,000 people in Haiti's Artibonite Valley 24/7/365/earthquake/cholera/whatever.
              www.hashaiti.org blog:http://hashaiti.org/blog

              Comment


              • #8
                Litchfield Analytical Services offers a Rumensin test....

                http://www.litchlab.com/

                Comment


                • #9
                  I believe the State lab in Warrenton, Virginia can also run this test. You'd have to Google to get their phone #. Or I'd think most equine veterinary schools should be able to tell you a lab that does this.
                  www.littlebullrun@aol.com See Little Bull Run's stallions at:
                  "Argosy" - YouTube and "Boleem" - YouTube
                  Boleem @ 1993 National Dressage Symposium - YouTube

                  Comment

                  • Original Poster

                    #10
                    Originally posted by HorsesinHaiti View Post
                    Well, Equi-Analytical says they can't test for Monensin. I'm trying to find out if Ohio State U has that capacity, since we have someone going to Columbus next week. If they can't, I'll work through your links...

                    And since I have to go to Port Friday, I'll try to check out the other feed store and look for a straight protein source.

                    Well, Perdue can do qualitative analysis - that would be yes/no? Quantitative tests they send to UC Davis. For about $60. On just this one batch.

                    So since I have to go to Port Friday, I'll try to check out the other feed store and look for a straight protein source or that other feed. Sigh.
                    After getting stuck in a huge traffic jam on the route to Port that goes by the feed stores - the store with the cheap feed has no ticket or content info for that feed! I'll have to call the Dominican supplier and practice my Spanish, if I trust what I hear.

                    The other store will import horse and sheep feed on special order. I'm not sure I can count on them eating the cost of a wet load if they had the same issue we did - probably they'd demand payment up front and it would be tough luck for us. But importing feed would take the rest of the dry season anyway due to customs processing. (This other store also sells brand name Ivermectin paste, equivalent of $7.50 US). But they have 100 lb bags of soy flour, so I got one and will make my own feed with local ingredients this weekend.
                    Last edited by HorsesinHaiti; Mar. 23, 2013, 08:36 AM. Reason: I'm not all that coherent typing on a blackberry while travelling on a potholed road, am I!
                    HAS provides hospital care to 340,000 people in Haiti's Artibonite Valley 24/7/365/earthquake/cholera/whatever.
                    www.hashaiti.org blog:http://hashaiti.org/blog

                    Comment

                    • Original Poster

                      #11
                      Further update: I got home with the soy meal and pulled the mystery 'all animal' feed out of the bin. While getting the top gathered to tie off the bag I found a ticket buried Inside the meal. No ingredient list, but it did say what type of feed it was designed to be. I was right: inside the unspecified, multiple animals pictured bag it's actually LAYING HEN FEED. I called the other pony owner quick and said get rid of the stuff, it's the worst thing we could feed a horse.

                      The bag of soy meal looks and smells like - straight ground soybeans. So I'm confident that it's really straight soybean meal. Now I"m off tomorrow to find a 'make your own feed' calculator. Hoover Pony actually doesn't need much judging by his body condition. The sheep are not going to hold up well through the next couple months of mostly eating green cornstalks unless we make supplemental feed for them.

                      Once again, the cautions and information I've read on COTH over the years really do save the day. I didn't know squat about verifying grain mixes for various animals until I started reading threads here.
                      HAS provides hospital care to 340,000 people in Haiti's Artibonite Valley 24/7/365/earthquake/cholera/whatever.
                      www.hashaiti.org blog:http://hashaiti.org/blog

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        GAWD...can't imagine what you are going through just to get your horses fed safely.
                        www.littlebullrun@aol.com See Little Bull Run's stallions at:
                        "Argosy" - YouTube and "Boleem" - YouTube
                        Boleem @ 1993 National Dressage Symposium - YouTube

                        Comment

                        Working...
                        X