• Welcome to the Chronicle Forums.
    Please complete your profile. The forums and the rest of www.chronofhorse.com has single sign-in, so your log in information for one will automatically work for the other. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are the views of the individual and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of The Chronicle of the Horse.

Announcement

Collapse

Forum rules and no-advertising policy

As a participant on this forum, it is your responsibility to know and follow our rules. Please read this message in its entirety.

Board Rules

1. You’re responsible for what you say.
As outlined in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, The Chronicle of the Horse and its affiliates, as well Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., the developers of vBulletin, are not legally responsible for statements made in the forums.

This is a public forum viewed by a wide spectrum of people, so please be mindful of what you say and who might be reading it—details of personal disputes are likely better handled privately. While posters are legally responsible for their statements, the moderators may in their discretion remove or edit posts that violate these rules. Users have the ability to modify or delete their own messages after posting, but administrators generally will not delete posts, threads or accounts upon request.

Outright inflammatory, vulgar, harassing, malicious or otherwise inappropriate statements and criminal charges unsubstantiated by a reputable news source or legal documentation will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of the moderators.

2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.
The forums are a wonderful source of information and support for members of the horse community. While it’s understandably tempting to share information or search for input on other topics upon which members might have a similar level of knowledge, members must maintain the focus on horses.

3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.

4. No advertising in the discussion forums.
Posts in the discussion forums directly or indirectly advertising horses, jobs, items or services for sale or wanted will be removed at the discretion of the moderators. Use of the private messaging feature or email addresses obtained through users’ profiles for unsolicited advertising is not permitted.

Company representatives may participate in discussions and answer questions about their products or services, or suggest their products on recent threads if they fulfill the criteria of a query. False "testimonials" provided by company affiliates posing as general consumers are not appropriate, and self-promotion of sales, ad campaigns, etc. through the discussion forums is not allowed.

Paid advertising is available on our classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.

Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:

Horses – Only general discussion about the buying, leasing, selling and pricing of horses is permitted. If the post contains, or links to, the type of specific information typically found in a sales or wanted ad, and it’s related to a horse for sale, regardless of who’s selling it, it doesn’t belong in the discussion forums.

Stallions – Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.

Services – Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.

Products – While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.

Event Announcements – Members may post one notification of an upcoming event that may be of interest to fellow members, if the original poster does not benefit financially from the event. Such threads may not be “bumped” excessively. Premium members may post their own notices in the Event Announcements forum.

Charities/Rescues – Announcements for charitable or fundraising events can only be made for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations. Special exceptions may be made, at the moderators’ discretion and direction, for board-related events or fundraising activities in extraordinary circumstances.

Occasional posts regarding horses available for adoption through IRS-registered horse rescue or placement programs are permitted in the appropriate forums, but these threads may be limited at the discretion of the moderators. Individuals may not advertise or make announcements for horses in need of rescue, placement or adoption unless the horse is available through a recognized rescue or placement agency or government-run entity or the thread fits the criteria for and is located in the Giveaways forum.

5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.

6. Respect other members.
As members are often passionate about their beliefs and intentions can easily be misinterpreted in this type of environment, try to explore or resolve the inevitable disagreements that arise in the course of threads calmly and rationally.

If you see a post that you feel violates the rules of the board, please click the “alert” button (exclamation point inside of a triangle) in the bottom left corner of the post, which will alert ONLY the moderators to the post in question. They will then take whatever action, or no action, as deemed appropriate for the situation at their discretion. Do not air grievances regarding other posters or the moderators in the discussion forums.

Please be advised that adding another user to your “Ignore” list via your User Control Panel can be a useful tactic, which blocks posts and private messages by members whose commentary you’d rather avoid reading.

7. We have the right to reproduce statements made in the forums.
The Chronicle of the Horse may copy, quote, link to or otherwise reproduce posts, or portions of posts, in print or online for advertising or editorial purposes, if attributed to their original authors, and by posting in this forum, you hereby grant to The Chronicle of the Horse a perpetual, non-exclusive license under copyright and other rights, to do so.

8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.
The moderators may delete, edit, move or close any post or thread at any time, or refrain from doing any of the foregoing, in their discretion, and may suspend or revoke a user’s membership privileges at any time to maintain adherence to the rules and the general spirit of the forum. These rules may be amended at any time to address the current needs of the board.

Please see our full Terms of Service and Privacy Policy for more information.

Thanks for being a part of the COTH forums!

(Revised 1/26/16)
See more
See less

Sarcoid above eye? Help! -- UPDATE!!

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Sarcoid above eye? Help! -- UPDATE!!

    I had my filly at the vet yesterday for shots and he noticed this spot above her eye. He said it looks like a sarcoid. I just thought she had rubbed it on a tree in the pasture, but he said it definitely looks like a sarcoid. I've been doing searches on past posts and noticed a few of you have had horses with sarcoids above the eye. Here is a picture. Is this what yours looked like?

    http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f3...f/IMG_1002.jpg

    He also told me there is the slightest possibility that it could be ringworm and that I could wash it every day for a week with Banamine scrub and see if that helps. He said that if that doesn't help that we could bring her back and get it biopsied. After reading the posts here, it looks like if I mess with it and it is a sarcoid, it could make it worse. So I'm afraid to do anything right now.

    Please tell me what treatments you tried to get rid of a sarcoid above the eye and what worked and what didn't. As I said, I've searched this forum but there seem to be many kinds of sarcoids and in many locations on the horse. I'm specifically interested in ones near the eye and the best way to treat them.

    Thanks!
    Last edited by ilikridn; Dec. 8, 2008, 09:43 AM. Reason: update

  • #2
    We had two with sarcoids that were treated by the vet (surgical and cryo) but came back. They disappeared completely on both horses (and these were a couple of years apart) when we put them on a Hilton Herbs mix. (I can't remember which one--Ditton, maybe? They've changed the names of some of the mixes, but you can email them and ask what to use for sarcoids. helpline@hiltonherbs.com)

    Comment


    • #3
      My horse had one- about your size, but really lumpy- at the corner of his eye, when I bought him. I treated it with Xxterra, very cautiously, and it's been gone for 5 years now.

      2 years after treatment:
      http://s20.photobucket.com/albums/b2...t=Riley008.jpg

      Comment


      • #4
        My mare had something that looked like that on her midline this spring. It went away when I double dosed her with ivermectin. Definitely something to try.

        Comment


        • #5
          My mare had a sarcoid near the eye (on the outer membrane)...I wasn't thrilled about doing cryo, wasn't thrilled about other options...

          My vet found a new med that they've been using and it worked great!

          It's called fluorouracil and it's been used for human skin cancer for awhile.

          Mine is a 5% in Aquaphor
          A good horseman doesn't have to tell anyone...the horse already knows.

          Might be a reason, never an excuse...

          Comment


          • #6
            um ask the vet and check its not a mineral deficency as they do that like copper or zinc
            in which case its an easy cure

            Comment


            • #7
              Our mare developed a Bump in her ear late this spring.I had the vet look at it and he said to wait until fly season was over and have it removed.It remained about same size until June and then quadruppled in size in just a few short weeks.It was big and red and ooozzing, so I decided we could not wait any longer to have it removed.Horse is a show horse and this was the height of show season.Had it surgically removed by the vet and Biopsied.He said it may grow back.Biopsy reveled it WAS indeed a sacoid. And it has INDEED returned to grow back.I did as you and hit the internet to find more info. Several old timers swear by CREST TOOTPASTE! I have been applying Crest 1-2x's a day for about 2 weeks now, and yes it is drying up and receeding in size. It is a long slow process and the vet feels like it may not get the entire thing, but because it is on the inside of her ear and that's about 100% cartiledge we are limited on other options of treatment due to damaging the cartlidge.If your horses sarcoid is still small it may work well, and it may not be as Toxic as some of the other alternative treatments.Want to use care around the eye area.Also,FYI- the info I found also said that sarcoids could be due to a virus and that clippers/brushes,etc,etc could transfer it to other animals, don't know if that is entirely true or not, but fairly easy to remedy...

              Comment


              • #8
                Please speak to your veterinarian about using Cisplatinum impregnated beads. They are very easy to implant under the sarcoid. Since the eye area is extremely sensitive, I do not recomend using anything causitic such as xx-terrra(sp).

                Comment


                • #9
                  My friend bought a horse with a huge (2 " in diameter) sarcoid on his neck. The previous owners said they tried everything and nothing worked. Our vet said make a mixture of plain Crest toothpaste and betadine and apply it twice a day. In 2 months, it was completely gone and has not returned. When my gelding started a small sarcoid on his leg, I immediatley started with this mixture and it was gone within 3 weeks.

                  I will say this....I have stopped using Crest and use an all natural toothpaste...Can't imagine what's in the stuff but I don't think I want it in my mouth!!!

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    Xxterra. One of my mares had a 1/2 dollar sized sarcoid on her face and it came off in 3 days and never came back. Her hair grew back too. I've heard it doesn't work for everyone, but I had great results with it.
                    You are what you dare.

                    Comment

                    • Original Poster

                      #11
                      Thank you everyone for all of the input. I was shocked to read some of the things I've read on the internet. Although she is just a yearling now, she is bred to be a hunter show horse and to have some ugly thing on her eye would obviously not be a good thing... especially if it gets bigger and/or spreads.

                      My vet had said we might try freezing it off but said that would cause the hair above her eye to turn white. He joked we could freeze above the other eye to match. lol Anyhow, freezing and/or removal don't sound appealing to me. It sounds like they too often return with those treatments.

                      I think I might try the Crest toothpaste first. Can't hurt, right? My vet told me to try the Betadyne scrub... should I mix that with the Crest, or just use the Crest alone???

                      If that doesn't work, I'll try the fluorouracil. Or XXterra... I'll ask my vet what he recommends.

                      Thanks again for all of your help!!

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        I also took one off above the eye with Xxterra. The vet said to be super careful not to get it into her eye ,as it would be terribly painful. So I was careful ,and after about 10 days (five days xxterra) the thing had scabbed over ,and the scab dropped off ,and it healed with no problem. That was this spring. So far ,so good.

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          I got a small tupperware container and mixed the crest with the betadine and then used Q-tips to apply it with. I would make up about a week at a time and made the mixture so that it was spreadable, but not runny. It sort of comes out a yellowish color. Good Luck!

                          Comment

                          • Original Poster

                            #14
                            Thanks Bosspaige... I'll try that. So I apply it and leave it on, don't let it sit and then wash it off after 15 minutes? Twice a day?

                            I'll start first thing tomorrow! I'll let you know if it works.

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              XXterra

                              The vet prescribed this for my horse with a sarcoid on his ear. It was about an inch across by the time I had her look at it. It took two treatment cycles to compelety go away, and it has not recurred. After it scabbed up and the scab dropped off from the first 4-day treatment, the sarcoid was still there but smaller. So the next treatment eradicated it. The horse does have a scar on his ear, but it is much smaller than the sarcoid was.

                              Had another horse with sarcoids in his cheek and in front of his ear. Both went away with some kind of injection. This was 20 years ago. It would have been much easier to treat them wit XXtera, but I don't know if it was availbable at the time. The horse did NOT like the injections.
                              "Passion without knowledge is a runaway horse."

                              Comment


                              • #16
                                Yikes, be careful using Crest above the eye like that. Don't leave her unattended (in case she rubs or shakes her head). That stuff burns like mad if you get it in your eye.

                                Comment


                                • #17
                                  I put it on twice a day and left it...But given the location, I am not sure. It dries up fairly quickly if you only put a thin layer on so it might be okay. Just wouldn't want it (or any of the recommended things) to drip down into her eye. Both my horse and my neighbors (whose sarcoid was HUGE) didn't end up with any scar and you can't tell where either of them had the sarcoid.

                                  Comment


                                  • #18
                                    I have a horse that had a sarcoid above his eye. We initially treated it with XXterra. This damaged some of the healthy skin and the sarcoid always grew back. We then were aggressive with cryosurgery (freezing). This successfully removed the sarcoid to date (7 years - knocking on wood), but damaged more healthy skin with scarring and white hairs (on a black horse). A University teaching school/clinic was going to try injections if the cryosurgery didn't work.

                                    Be very careful if you try Xxterra or cryosurgery above the eye. I used Vaseline below the area to keep seeping from the wound area from damaging the eye/eyelid.

                                    Comment

                                    • Original Poster

                                      #19
                                      What is amazing is how many different treatments there are and how varied the results are. We live near Texas A&M, only about an hour away. That's where my vet wants me to take her if the Betadyne scrub doesn't help. (the scrub was what he wanted me to try just in case it's ringworm.)

                                      Ugh... these horses always keep us hopping, don't they?!!

                                      Comment

                                      • Original Poster

                                        #20
                                        UPDATE!

                                        Just thought I'd update.

                                        The thing above her eye, sarcoid or not, is completely gone!

                                        I washed it with Betadyne scrub and then followed with an application of Crest Toothpaste for about a week. After that, I only put the Crest Toothpaste on it. After the first couple of weeks I only applied the toothpaste about every 3 or 4 days. I would first wipe off the old dried toothpaste residue with a wet washcloth, then reapply.

                                        Thanks to everyone who gave advice. And hopefully this will help someone else facing the same problem.

                                        Comment

                                        Working...
                                        X