• Welcome to the Chronicle Forums.
    Please complete your profile. The forums and the rest of www.chronofhorse.com has single sign-in, so your log in information for one will automatically work for the other. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are the views of the individual and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of The Chronicle of the Horse.

Announcement

Collapse

Forum rules and no-advertising policy

As a participant on this forum, it is your responsibility to know and follow our rules. Please read this message in its entirety.

Board Rules

1. You’re responsible for what you say.
As outlined in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, The Chronicle of the Horse and its affiliates, as well Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., the developers of vBulletin, are not legally responsible for statements made in the forums.

This is a public forum viewed by a wide spectrum of people, so please be mindful of what you say and who might be reading it—details of personal disputes are likely better handled privately. While posters are legally responsible for their statements, the moderators may in their discretion remove or edit posts that violate these rules. Users have the ability to modify or delete their own messages after posting, but administrators generally will not delete posts, threads or accounts upon request.

Outright inflammatory, vulgar, harassing, malicious or otherwise inappropriate statements and criminal charges unsubstantiated by a reputable news source or legal documentation will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of the moderators.

2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.
The forums are a wonderful source of information and support for members of the horse community. While it’s understandably tempting to share information or search for input on other topics upon which members might have a similar level of knowledge, members must maintain the focus on horses.

3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.

4. No advertising in the discussion forums.
Posts in the discussion forums directly or indirectly advertising horses, jobs, items or services for sale or wanted will be removed at the discretion of the moderators. Use of the private messaging feature or email addresses obtained through users’ profiles for unsolicited advertising is not permitted.

Company representatives may participate in discussions and answer questions about their products or services, or suggest their products on recent threads if they fulfill the criteria of a query. False "testimonials" provided by company affiliates posing as general consumers are not appropriate, and self-promotion of sales, ad campaigns, etc. through the discussion forums is not allowed.

Paid advertising is available on our classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.

Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:

Horses – Only general discussion about the buying, leasing, selling and pricing of horses is permitted. If the post contains, or links to, the type of specific information typically found in a sales or wanted ad, and it’s related to a horse for sale, regardless of who’s selling it, it doesn’t belong in the discussion forums.

Stallions – Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.

Services – Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.

Products – While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.

Event Announcements – Members may post one notification of an upcoming event that may be of interest to fellow members, if the original poster does not benefit financially from the event. Such threads may not be “bumped” excessively. Premium members may post their own notices in the Event Announcements forum.

Charities/Rescues – Announcements for charitable or fundraising events can only be made for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations. Special exceptions may be made, at the moderators’ discretion and direction, for board-related events or fundraising activities in extraordinary circumstances.

Occasional posts regarding horses available for adoption through IRS-registered horse rescue or placement programs are permitted in the appropriate forums, but these threads may be limited at the discretion of the moderators. Individuals may not advertise or make announcements for horses in need of rescue, placement or adoption unless the horse is available through a recognized rescue or placement agency or government-run entity or the thread fits the criteria for and is located in the Giveaways forum.

5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.

6. Respect other members.
As members are often passionate about their beliefs and intentions can easily be misinterpreted in this type of environment, try to explore or resolve the inevitable disagreements that arise in the course of threads calmly and rationally.

If you see a post that you feel violates the rules of the board, please click the “alert” button (exclamation point inside of a triangle) in the bottom left corner of the post, which will alert ONLY the moderators to the post in question. They will then take whatever action, or no action, as deemed appropriate for the situation at their discretion. Do not air grievances regarding other posters or the moderators in the discussion forums.

Please be advised that adding another user to your “Ignore” list via your User Control Panel can be a useful tactic, which blocks posts and private messages by members whose commentary you’d rather avoid reading.

7. We have the right to reproduce statements made in the forums.
The Chronicle of the Horse may copy, quote, link to or otherwise reproduce posts, or portions of posts, in print or online for advertising or editorial purposes, if attributed to their original authors, and by posting in this forum, you hereby grant to The Chronicle of the Horse a perpetual, non-exclusive license under copyright and other rights, to do so.

8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.
The moderators may delete, edit, move or close any post or thread at any time, or refrain from doing any of the foregoing, in their discretion, and may suspend or revoke a user’s membership privileges at any time to maintain adherence to the rules and the general spirit of the forum. These rules may be amended at any time to address the current needs of the board.

Please see our full Terms of Service and Privacy Policy for more information.

Thanks for being a part of the COTH forums!

(Revised 1/26/16)
See more
See less

Flat Soles & Sore Feet - Any Suggestions to get to Barefoot

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Flat Soles & Sore Feet - Any Suggestions to get to Barefoot

    We have been trying to transition my mare out of shoes since she's now bred and not working. She used to have pretty decent feet. When I began competing her years ago I put shoes on her because she would come home a bit foot sore if the grounds were hard and she was of course being ridden quite heavily. I could pull her shoes in the winter without issue if she was off for a period of time. She did have an injury to her hock which has caused arthritis and of course over the years she seems to have caused her to weight her front feet more than the average horse. We have added pads in from time to time and she has one foot that has an under run heal that we chase.

    About three months ago in anticipation of the coming little one, we pulled her shoes. She came up sore in her left front foot, so my farrier packed and put a casting material on the foot. That seemed to work well for about two months, then she came up sore again. We figured it was just time to redo the cast and she began walking a bit sore on the other foot, so we packed and cast both feet about two weeks ago. Over the past two weeks she hasn't really improved and is now sore on both. The vet was out today and I had her check the mare, she has slightly raised pulses and was sore on her soles, but no heat and nothing to suggest otherwise. Farrier is going to come out Monday and probably put shoes back on her.

    I've really been hoping to keep her shoes off, but if she's going to be sore, I'll have them put back on. Has anyone had any really good luck getting a flat soled horse barefoot. I'd love to use something other than shoes and wondering if anyone has success with any other product or maybe a different shoeing technique. My farrier is very good and I'm sure will offer some suggestions when we meet, but in the mean time for my own education I thought I'd come here to see what others have to say. Don't get me wrong I am not shoe adverse but with this mare not being in work was just looking for what other options there may be.

  • #2
    Back in shoes and Durasole until the foot builds some vertical depth.

    Comment


    • #3
      If she is that miserable I would agree with the back in shoes and Durasole, also address the diet and environment.

      Comment


      • #4
        I did what Tom says. It worked.

        Comment


        • #5
          I pulled my horses shoes in July and I applied Durasole as much as possible and he has been fine. He has crappy soles also. I rode him in Renegade boots for the first 3 months. I slacked off on the Durasole but started using it again due to the frozen ground here. I wish I could post the before and after pics of his feet. It has been an amazing transformation.

          Comment


          • #6
            my horse cannot go barefoot he bruises badly. If she needs shoes, keep them on. it's not worth watching her suffer bf.

            Comment


            • #7
              Does anyone do "grass tips" nowadays?

              Comment


              • #8
                Besides shoeing her to keep her mobile and comfortable during her pregnancy, I would be concerned with any possible change going on within her foot.

                You don't indicate her age, breed or physical type, all of these can influence hoof changes.
                Some riders change their horse, they change their saddle, they change their teacher; they never change themselves.

                Remember the horse does all the work, we just sit there and look pretty.

                Comment

                • Original Poster

                  #9
                  She's a 11 year old Arab. She's in good weight, obviously baby has added to it. She's on two pounds of TC Growth with about a pound of TC's 30% supplement, gets two flakes of Alfalfa and free choice Timothy. She's out during the day, in at night. The vet has been happy with her body condition throughout her pregnancy so far.

                  I will give Durasole a try. I've used turpentine and also Keratex Hoof Hardner, but neither of those seemed to make much of a difference.

                  Other than the change from TC Complete and no longer being worked there haven't been many changes. She's probably been in shoes for about two years prior to us pulling them a few months ago.

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Nezzy View Post
                    my horse cannot go barefoot he bruises badly. If she needs shoes, keep them on. it's not worth watching her suffer bf.
                    My now in semi-retirement competition mare needs shoes all the time. I've tried three times over the fifteen years I've owned her to "go barefoot." All failed. So even during, breeding, foaling, and lactation wears shoes all 'round.

                    Why is it so hard for some folks to accept that some horses need shoes and some don't? Why is watching a horse suffer in unremitted pain while they "toughen up" seen as a Good Thing? I don't get it.

                    G.
                    Mangalarga Marchador: Uma Raça, Uma Paixão

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      G. the OP said she'd be putting shoes back on.

                      I'd be concerned about laminitis with her being that sore on both fronts, unless the ground is frozen.

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Guilherme View Post
                        My now in semi-retirement competition mare needs shoes all the time. I've tried three times over the fifteen years I've owned her to "go barefoot." All failed. So even during, breeding, foaling, and lactation wears shoes all 'round.

                        Why is it so hard for some folks to accept that some horses need shoes and some don't? Why is watching a horse suffer in unremitted pain while they "toughen up" seen as a Good Thing? I don't get it.

                        G.
                        i think it is always worth a try but if the horse really cannot handle it, it's not worth the pain and suffering. i have come to terms with the fact that my guy needs 4 shoes all year round. i do what i can to keep him comfortable. our new guy has big feet and seems to be ok barefoot. i hope so, it would be nice to save a few dollars. but if he needs shoes, i will shell it out for him..

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          no advice ~ just Jingles & AO for your mare to come 'sound' ~
                          Zu Zu Bailey " IT'S A WONDERFUL LIFE ! "

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            Originally posted by grayarabpony View Post
                            G. the OP said she'd be putting shoes back on.

                            I'd be concerned about laminitis with her being that sore on both fronts, unless the ground is frozen.
                            My concern would be if the horse is 11 and has been bare for 9 years and is now sore being bare after pulling shoes.......What does that tell you?
                            Charlie Piccione
                            Natural Performance Hoof Care

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Charlie Piccione View Post
                              My concern would be if the horse is 11 and has been bare for 9 years and is now sore being bare after pulling shoes.......What does that tell you?
                              It tells me that something or several somethings have indeed changed and now she requires shoes to help her. And since she is now pregnant which brings with it its own set of circumstances, she doesn't need the worry and stress of hoof pain added to the situation.

                              Comment


                              • #16
                                Originally posted by Guilherme View Post
                                My now in semi-retirement competition mare needs shoes all the time. I've tried three times over the fifteen years I've owned her to "go barefoot." All failed. So even during, breeding, foaling, and lactation wears shoes all 'round.

                                Why is it so hard for some folks to accept that some horses need shoes and some don't? Why is watching a horse suffer in unremitted pain while they "toughen up" seen as a Good Thing? I don't get it.

                                G.
                                Because some horses CAN go barefoot after a transition period of toughening up. My friends horse is one. He had flat soles and had a moron trimming him for years. My ex sold him to her and we transitioned him to barefoot. He was footsore for a few weeks and needed to be in boots for rocky trails, but is otherwise happy barefoot.

                                Comment


                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by Charlie Piccione View Post
                                  My concern would be if the horse is 11 and has been bare for 9 years and is now sore being bare after pulling shoes.......What does that tell you?
                                  Charlie she wasn't bare for nine whole years; she was in shoes during showing season and bare during winter.

                                  I won't pretend I know what's going on with the mare, just putting thoughts out there; if the ground is frozen solid with no snow cover and then of course she's carrying extra weight from the pregnancy, that alone might make her sore now...

                                  Comment


                                  • #18
                                    You said the casts and packing worked for about two months and when she came up sore, you thought maybe they just needed to be redone..... Did she go eight whole weeks between farrier visits? I find that horses with less than ideal feet need just a bit more attention than that to transition (if it is possible to do so).

                                    If I was really determined to try barefooting her, I'd cast, pack, and nail shoes into the casts to put as few nails as possible in her feet, until she was no longer sore, then try again with trimming and recasting every four weeks.

                                    Jennifer
                                    Third Charm Event Team

                                    Comment

                                    • Original Poster

                                      #19
                                      It is usually about 5-6 weeks between trims. My vet was out Friday and I had her check the mare. With this being her first go at pregnancy I've also been concerned about laminitis, neither vet or farrier have ever been concerned about that. She was fine until we pulled shoes. The ground has been exceptionally hard this year. It has been about two years since has been barefoot up front. I think we will put shoes on when the farrier comes unless he has other ideas. I would like her to be barefoot, but won't let her be sore. I've always had the farrier out within a couple of days if I have noticed that my horses are sore. I do have a great farrier and I am lucky he's very responsive. I had wrapped and packed her feet last night and she seems pretty comfortable today, so it just looks like shoes it will be. Maybe we will try again in the spring when the ground is softer and after baby arrives.

                                      Comment


                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by grayarabpony View Post
                                        G. the OP said she'd be putting shoes back on.

                                        I'd be concerned about laminitis with her being that sore on both fronts, unless the ground is frozen.
                                        I don't have a "beef" with the OP. I don't have a problem with folks trying. I do have a problem with the entire concept of the "transition period." We pull shoes and put them on as required over the course of a year with multiple horses. Never had a "transition period" that lasted more than a day or two. IMO if a horse stays sore for more than a few days then the husbandryman just got a loud and clear message from the horse.

                                        G.
                                        Mangalarga Marchador: Uma Raça, Uma Paixão

                                        Comment

                                        Working...
                                        X