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Has anyone tried Equibios?? (Looking for saccharomyces boulardii)

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  • Has anyone tried Equibios?? (Looking for saccharomyces boulardii)

    My vet recommened saccharomyces boulardii as probiotic for my horse who is dealing with hindgut uclers or right dorsal colitis issues right now. Equibios is one of the only ones I've come across that contain this ingredient.

    Has anyone tried this before?

  • #2
    How about Diamond V yeast? I want to say that's the same bacteria.

    Also Equishure is a great product for hindgut problems, and they have actual science behind their stuff.
    Tell a Gelding. Ask a Stallion. Discuss it with a Mare... Pray if it's a Pony!

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      #3
      I have to agree re: Equishure!! I have my guy on it and it's great - but it doesnt contain the saccharomyces boulardii. I will look into the Diamond V yeast. I do have him on YeaSacc right now too.

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      • #4
        My vet recommended the same thing for my boy, who has had some recent issues. I could not find anything with that ingredient by searching Smart Paks website (may have been just me.) She did, however, say that Equisure would be good as well.

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          I did find capsules for people that contain just saccharomyces boulardii, although it was around $50 for 50 capsules but I might give them a try - I will have to phone the vet and see what the daily dose would be for a four legged little hairy monkey.

          http://florastor.com/learn-about-pro...tic-difference

          and quarterhorse4me - I would definitely give the Equishure a try! I have definitely noticed a difference - my advice is to give the maximum recommended dose, even if your horse does not eat that much grain (there is a table which dictates the amount of Equishure to give based on the amount of grain your horse eats).

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          • #6
            Originally posted by bucksnort View Post
            I did find capsules for people that contain just saccharomyces boulardii, although it was around $50 for 50 capsules but I might give them a try - I will have to phone the vet and see what the daily dose would be for a four legged little hairy monkey.
            You can get it for a hell of a lot less than $1/capsule:

            http://www.naturalhealthtrust.com/coop/pc/Now-Foods-Saccharomyces-Boulardii-5-Billion-Cfu-60-Vcaps-642p119308.htm

            And if you're looking for a horse product, it looks like Neigh-Lox Advanced has it:

            http://beetlebuys.com/equine-livestock/equine-supplements/supplements/digestion-metabolic/3069-neigh-lox-advanced-20lb-20-pounds-990009.html?ref=googlebase


            So does Equiotic: http://equiforce.com/equiotic-equine...d-packets.aspx

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              • #8
                I asked my vet once about probiotics for a horse that was on antibiotics for tooth problems. He said the one you are looking for is the only one he knew of where tests had shown it to be effective in horses. After a google search, I got some from Rood and Riddle, but I can't remember if it is the same brand you mentioned.
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                • #9
                  http://www.smartpakequine.com/yeasac...x?cm_vc=Search

                  I'm not sure the difference between saccharomyces boulardii and saccharomyces cerevisiae, but maybe this is worth a look?

                  I've been reading up all evening on the various theories about colonic ulcers, "leaky gut", ulcer meds, etc because I have a grey who has always had water with his fairly formed stool, but it has increased quite a bit in general nastiness. The vet doesn't think he fits the profile for ulcers (the water with the poop is the ONLY symptom he could even possibly demonstrate, which of course isn't definitive but it's the best we can do until one can scope a hind gut), but she appreciates the fact I don't love having a brown-butt horse. She recommended BioSponge but it's expensive and I use SmartPaks where I board so I don't *have* to monkey with bagging supplements and restocking them and SmartPak doesn't carry it.

                  So I'm going to try this. It's $11 for a month so I figure... if it doesn't work, I'll know pretty quickly and I won't be out that much money.

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                  • #10
                    I am not certain that using different Saccharomyces species makes that big of a difference. That being said, I read a study recently comparing the active culture concentrations in a variety of commercial products, and only 3 products (ProStora, ProViable and FortiFlora) contained the concentration of active organisms stated on the label (and I think only ProViable is available in equine formulation).

                    The article essentially stated that most products do not actually contain what they claim. Some products didn't contain some of the species on the label, and some contained additional species that were potentially pathogenic. Most did not contain sufficient concentration of active organisms to reliably seed the intestine.

                    I'm not poo-pooing every other product, as I'm sure the study didn't test EVERY product out there, but just a heads up and something to think about.

                    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3003573/

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                    • #11
                      There is a lot of nothing going on in the science of probiotics in that most of the products are the same basic ingredients presented differently. But there is some new technology from one company.
                      S. Boulardi does vary in quality and also varies in handling, as do all probiotics. The key is the type of bacteria, the quality of the bacteria and the amount of CFU's. (colony forming units) S. boulardi binds toxins and escorts them out of the GI tract. In BILIIONS of CFU's it is effective. (Weese, Univ of Ontario,... I think)
                      The new technology is one out of Lexington, Ky called Equiotic. It is made from harvested equine Lactobacillus reuteri and brewed. The result is a bacteria originally from the species. I had someone on the forum say that there was no difference in where a bacteria is from. And that they had a degree in Micro-biology. To say they are wrong on this is an understatement. The difference is huge! Substrains of bacteria can be all the difference in the world. Salmonella in the Lexington, KY area is of a different strain than just 200 miles north in Columbus, Ohio. The L. Reuteri when commesal with the animal will multiply and secrete reuterin. This secretion is a very powerful anti-microbial. It also gives off a metabolite which stimulate the receptors in the mucosa which in turn enhances the immune system. Equiotic has 20 billion CFU's or LReuteri and 20 Billion of S. boulardi in a 10 cc dose! It is live bacteria.

                      I do my research before putting anything into my horses. Just google Lactobacillus reuteri and read what this bacteria does. There is a ton of research on the internet as well on the NIH site. Hope this helps.
                      Last edited by FCFARM; Nov. 29, 2012, 04:56 PM. Reason: typo

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                      • #12
                        I am using saccharomyces boulardii for my hindgut ulcery mare with success so far (just started her on it two weeks ago). I particularly searched for a probiotic with that particular bacterial strain because it was supposed to be good for hindgut/colonic problems and also gassiness, both of which my mare is suffering from. Two products from Platinum Performance have it: Platinum Balance and Platinum Gastric Support. I had her on the Platinum Gastric Support first, but just switched to the Platinum Balance because it's cheaper, and I already give her Succeed, and the Gastric Support seems similar.

                        Also, thanks for the tip on Equishure, I might try that in addition.

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                        • #13
                          I have never tried any of the supplements listed but recently started my horse on LifeForce by a Vet's recommendation and have been very happy with it. Also another horse at the stable I board had a lot of gas colics over a 3 month span never serious ones but bad enough and the vets recommended this supplement to him as well and he has not coliced since and its been about 3 months hes been on it. So I think for my horse I need more time but am very happy with the results thus far! The vet recommended to me because I have had to treat my horse 2 times for ulcers with no obvious reason why she has gotten them. Good luck!

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