• Welcome to the Chronicle Forums.
    Please complete your profile. The forums and the rest of www.chronofhorse.com has single sign-in, so your log in information for one will automatically work for the other. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are the views of the individual and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of The Chronicle of the Horse.



Forum rules and no-advertising policy

As a participant on this forum, it is your responsibility to know and follow our rules. Please read this message in its entirety.

Board Rules

1. You’re responsible for what you say.
As outlined in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, The Chronicle of the Horse and its affiliates, as well Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., the developers of vBulletin, are not legally responsible for statements made in the forums.

This is a public forum viewed by a wide spectrum of people, so please be mindful of what you say and who might be reading it—details of personal disputes are likely better handled privately. While posters are legally responsible for their statements, the moderators may in their discretion remove or edit posts that violate these rules. Users have the ability to modify or delete their own messages after posting, but administrators generally will not delete posts, threads or accounts upon request.

Outright inflammatory, vulgar, harassing, malicious or otherwise inappropriate statements and criminal charges unsubstantiated by a reputable news source or legal documentation will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of the moderators.

2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.
The forums are a wonderful source of information and support for members of the horse community. While it’s understandably tempting to share information or search for input on other topics upon which members might have a similar level of knowledge, members must maintain the focus on horses.

3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.

4. No advertising in the discussion forums.
Posts in the discussion forums directly or indirectly advertising horses, jobs, items or services for sale or wanted will be removed at the discretion of the moderators. Use of the private messaging feature or email addresses obtained through users’ profiles for unsolicited advertising is not permitted.

Company representatives may participate in discussions and answer questions about their products or services, or suggest their products on recent threads if they fulfill the criteria of a query. False "testimonials" provided by company affiliates posing as general consumers are not appropriate, and self-promotion of sales, ad campaigns, etc. through the discussion forums is not allowed.

Paid advertising is available on our classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.

Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:

Horses – Only general discussion about the buying, leasing, selling and pricing of horses is permitted. If the post contains, or links to, the type of specific information typically found in a sales or wanted ad, and it’s related to a horse for sale, regardless of who’s selling it, it doesn’t belong in the discussion forums.

Stallions – Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.

Services – Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.

Products – While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.

Event Announcements – Members may post one notification of an upcoming event that may be of interest to fellow members, if the original poster does not benefit financially from the event. Such threads may not be “bumped” excessively. Premium members may post their own notices in the Event Announcements forum.

Charities/Rescues – Announcements for charitable or fundraising events can only be made for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations. Special exceptions may be made, at the moderators’ discretion and direction, for board-related events or fundraising activities in extraordinary circumstances.

Occasional posts regarding horses available for adoption through IRS-registered horse rescue or placement programs are permitted in the appropriate forums, but these threads may be limited at the discretion of the moderators. Individuals may not advertise or make announcements for horses in need of rescue, placement or adoption unless the horse is available through a recognized rescue or placement agency or government-run entity or the thread fits the criteria for and is located in the Giveaways forum.

5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.

6. Respect other members.
As members are often passionate about their beliefs and intentions can easily be misinterpreted in this type of environment, try to explore or resolve the inevitable disagreements that arise in the course of threads calmly and rationally.

If you see a post that you feel violates the rules of the board, please click the “alert” button (exclamation point inside of a triangle) in the bottom left corner of the post, which will alert ONLY the moderators to the post in question. They will then take whatever action, or no action, as deemed appropriate for the situation at their discretion. Do not air grievances regarding other posters or the moderators in the discussion forums.

Please be advised that adding another user to your “Ignore” list via your User Control Panel can be a useful tactic, which blocks posts and private messages by members whose commentary you’d rather avoid reading.

7. We have the right to reproduce statements made in the forums.
The Chronicle of the Horse may copy, quote, link to or otherwise reproduce posts, or portions of posts, in print or online for advertising or editorial purposes, if attributed to their original authors, and by posting in this forum, you hereby grant to The Chronicle of the Horse a perpetual, non-exclusive license under copyright and other rights, to do so.

8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.
The moderators may delete, edit, move or close any post or thread at any time, or refrain from doing any of the foregoing, in their discretion, and may suspend or revoke a user’s membership privileges at any time to maintain adherence to the rules and the general spirit of the forum. These rules may be amended at any time to address the current needs of the board.

Please see our full Terms of Service and Privacy Policy for more information.

Thanks for being a part of the COTH forums!

(Revised 1/26/16)
See more
See less

OTTB Just off track, over at the knee after working - now with photos!

  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • OTTB Just off track, over at the knee after working - now with photos!

    HI there all you OTTB lovers ans confirmation experts. Meet Dante (registered Tiz Savy). I bought him at Golden Gate Fields in August really as a pasture mate for my big baby boy, and potential replacement horse for friends in Oregon.

    He's 4, 16.2, was only raced 5 times, was just not fast, sound (so said vets), sweet, handsome, we're hoping maybe he'd even make a nice fox or showhunter some day. worst case scenario, he's a handsome lawn ornament at my dear friend's ranch in Oregon and certainly a pleasure horse.

    He vetted clean at the track, was slightly over at the knee on the right but I was assured that this was common for horses on the track and that a few months on pasture would straighten him right out. Bought him, shipped him to Oregon.

    Now, when he's been just resting, they are both straight but after a lunge or some galloping on pasture, he presents again over at the knee and now on both.

    Dante is also a bit "tied in behind the knee". The best description of this is that the line of the flexor tendons are not parallel to the line of the front of the cannon bones, rather, the line of the tendons angles in toward the knee, making the horse look "pinched in" below the knee. I wonder if this relates to being "over":?

    Any advice or guidance would be helpful. (I'll get a link as soon as I can get these pics posted somewhere, I can't access any posting sites from work!

    Last edited by tisor; Nov. 2, 2012, 03:58 PM. Reason: added photos

  • #2
    It is most likely his build, and when he gets tired, he reverts back to what is easiest for him (standing over at the knee) I'd much rather a horse be over at the knee, especially for a jumping career, than behind at the knee. Is there a particular reason that you are concerned? Do his knees shake or tremble when he stands like that?


    • #3
      I'd take a look at his feet. I have known several "over at the knee" horses that stood straight once their feet were addressed and their heel pain resolved.


      • Original Poster

        Yes! Definitely, after working when he goes very over, the knee(s) shake and tremble. One knee will go way over, tremble for a few moments, then it stops and usually starts again over and over til he's cooled out. I think it's more in the right knee that the left, and it's never both knees at once. It's as though he might collapse if both knees buckled at once.


        • Original Poster

          Thanks Simkie and his heels were super low and are slowly being corrected. think we should check for heel pain?

          really want to get some pics posted for you....lemme see what i can find that my company doesn't have on lockdown


          • #6
            If he is super low in his heels, you might want to put a 2 or even 3 degree wedge shoe on him in front. We've had really good luck doing that for the low heels, but it would help what seems to be a strain of the ligaments causing the knees to buckle. I would also put standing bandages on him with a mild brace, but that's just me. The mild heat would help to relax the ligaments.
            Breeders of Painted Thoroughbreds and Uniquely Painted Irish Sport Horses in Northeast Oklahoma


            • Original Poster


              over on left and right after working



              here after an 8 hour trailer ride to oregon, meeting his future pasturemate, looking great on the left and over on the right but otherwise sooo handsome!



              • #8
                I have an over at the knee fellow here now, and formerly had a lesson horse that was very over at the knees. We don't do too much trotting on a loose rein with these boys as they can be trippy...

                I would not think heel pain to be the cause as then I would expect it to be common in Navicular horses, rather the horse was likely born that way. The horse likely gets worse/shakey with work, as its ligaments are being worked/stretched and its legs get "tired", as unlike a "normal" horse, this horses legs don't stack properly vertically, so its soft tissue has to hold the legs straight mechanically.

                Farrier work is key, and I think it is important to find a farrier with knowledge working with buck kneed equines; they need their break over to be pushed back, and need to be encouraged to stretch down into their heels as much as they are able.
                Freeing worms from cans everywhere!


                • #9
                  After seeing the pictures...I wouldn't worry about it too much. I wouldn't put wedges on...his angles look pretty good, but I would bandage him for a while when he is stabled to relieve some possible inflammation in the ligaments. Nice looking horse!! On a side note....my "best horse ever", an ex Grande Prix jumper was a bit over in the knees!! Couldn't be beaten in the jump off!!
                  Breeders of Painted Thoroughbreds and Uniquely Painted Irish Sport Horses in Northeast Oklahoma


                  • #10
                    How long has he been off the track?

                    I have had the best luck with these guys pulling their shoes, giving them a good trim at an interval that is best for them, and turning them out for the winter. Plenty of durasole if they are a bit ouchy without protection.

                    Each of the three horses I have now has gone through a period of "over at the knee" when the feet weren't right. None of them exhibit it now.


                    • #11
                      RINGBONE, will do it.


                      • #12
                        Can you get close up pics of his feet?

                        OATK is usually a problem in the feet. Usually it's sore heels, and the horse weights his toes more to lessen the weight on his heels, and that can make him OATK.
                        The CoTH CYA - please consult w/your veterinarian under any and all circumstances. - ET


                        • #13
                          He looks like he is just slightly built that way, but I wouldn't worry much. I agree that wrapping him would be beneficial when he is stalled. I doubt it is sore heels - if it was, he would stand this way all the time, not just after working. Have the farrier get his break over correct to help alleviate any extra strain and just work on building up muscle and stamina. He's really good looking overall and has a great expression.