• Welcome to the Chronicle Forums.
    Please complete your profile. The forums and the rest of www.chronofhorse.com has single sign-in, so your log in information for one will automatically work for the other. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are the views of the individual and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of The Chronicle of the Horse.

Announcement

Collapse

Forum rules and no-advertising policy

As a participant on this forum, it is your responsibility to know and follow our rules. Please read this message in its entirety.

Board Rules

1. You’re responsible for what you say.
As outlined in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, The Chronicle of the Horse and its affiliates, as well Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., the developers of vBulletin, are not legally responsible for statements made in the forums.

This is a public forum viewed by a wide spectrum of people, so please be mindful of what you say and who might be reading it—details of personal disputes are likely better handled privately. While posters are legally responsible for their statements, the moderators may in their discretion remove or edit posts that violate these rules. Users have the ability to modify or delete their own messages after posting, but administrators generally will not delete posts, threads or accounts upon request.

Outright inflammatory, vulgar, harassing, malicious or otherwise inappropriate statements and criminal charges unsubstantiated by a reputable news source or legal documentation will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of the moderators.

2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.
The forums are a wonderful source of information and support for members of the horse community. While it’s understandably tempting to share information or search for input on other topics upon which members might have a similar level of knowledge, members must maintain the focus on horses.

3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.

4. No advertising in the discussion forums.
Posts in the discussion forums directly or indirectly advertising horses, jobs, items or services for sale or wanted will be removed at the discretion of the moderators. Use of the private messaging feature or email addresses obtained through users’ profiles for unsolicited advertising is not permitted.

Company representatives may participate in discussions and answer questions about their products or services, or suggest their products on recent threads if they fulfill the criteria of a query. False "testimonials" provided by company affiliates posing as general consumers are not appropriate, and self-promotion of sales, ad campaigns, etc. through the discussion forums is not allowed.

Paid advertising is available on our classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.

Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:

Horses – Only general discussion about the buying, leasing, selling and pricing of horses is permitted. If the post contains, or links to, the type of specific information typically found in a sales or wanted ad, and it’s related to a horse for sale, regardless of who’s selling it, it doesn’t belong in the discussion forums.

Stallions – Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.

Services – Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.

Products – While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.

Event Announcements – Members may post one notification of an upcoming event that may be of interest to fellow members, if the original poster does not benefit financially from the event. Such threads may not be “bumped” excessively. Premium members may post their own notices in the Event Announcements forum.

Charities/Rescues – Announcements for charitable or fundraising events can only be made for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations. Special exceptions may be made, at the moderators’ discretion and direction, for board-related events or fundraising activities in extraordinary circumstances.

Occasional posts regarding horses available for adoption through IRS-registered horse rescue or placement programs are permitted in the appropriate forums, but these threads may be limited at the discretion of the moderators. Individuals may not advertise or make announcements for horses in need of rescue, placement or adoption unless the horse is available through a recognized rescue or placement agency or government-run entity or the thread fits the criteria for and is located in the Giveaways forum.

5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.

6. Respect other members.
As members are often passionate about their beliefs and intentions can easily be misinterpreted in this type of environment, try to explore or resolve the inevitable disagreements that arise in the course of threads calmly and rationally.

If you see a post that you feel violates the rules of the board, please click the “alert” button (exclamation point inside of a triangle) in the bottom left corner of the post, which will alert ONLY the moderators to the post in question. They will then take whatever action, or no action, as deemed appropriate for the situation at their discretion. Do not air grievances regarding other posters or the moderators in the discussion forums.

Please be advised that adding another user to your “Ignore” list via your User Control Panel can be a useful tactic, which blocks posts and private messages by members whose commentary you’d rather avoid reading.

7. We have the right to reproduce statements made in the forums.
The Chronicle of the Horse may copy, quote, link to or otherwise reproduce posts, or portions of posts, in print or online for advertising or editorial purposes, if attributed to their original authors, and by posting in this forum, you hereby grant to The Chronicle of the Horse a perpetual, non-exclusive license under copyright and other rights, to do so.

8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.
The moderators may delete, edit, move or close any post or thread at any time, or refrain from doing any of the foregoing, in their discretion, and may suspend or revoke a user’s membership privileges at any time to maintain adherence to the rules and the general spirit of the forum. These rules may be amended at any time to address the current needs of the board.

Please see our full Terms of Service and Privacy Policy for more information.

Thanks for being a part of the COTH forums!

(Revised 1/26/16)
See more
See less

Can you help balance my horse's ration?

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • #21
    I agree that you do not need both a ration balancer and a multi-vitamin. Pick one.

    A tablespoon of flaxseed won't do much one way or another. My horse is a bit of a hard keeper, but I feed him 2 cups/day of whole flax. When I had an easy keeper he got 1 cup daily.

    I like Corta-Flx myself and it's one of the few supplements where there is at least some published research. Okay, not a huge sample size, but many of the $$$$ supplements have no published research at all. Plus, it's not expensive.

    I give it to my horse but where I saw dramatic results was with my dog -- he went from being truly uncomfortable (he was always fidgety and uncomfortable lying down, which my vet told me was most likely from joint pain) to being happy and relaxed in less than a week. My horse does not show signs of arthritis but raced 30 times and my vet suggested that an oral supplement was a good idea. Corta-flx fits the bill for me right now.

    http://www.jointsupplementresearch.com/report.html

    Originally posted by ActNatural View Post
    Thanks everyone! She will be getting grass hay.

    1/2 lb TC 30 or SS 14/6
    vitamin/mineral supplement
    MSM
    Corta-flex
    tablespoon flaxseed

    And see how it goes. I do want to keep the corta-flex because I do think it helps her stifle.
    Equine Ink - My soapbox for equestrian writings & reviews.
    EquestrianHow2 - Operating instructions for your horse.

    Comment


    • #22
      Originally posted by ActNatural View Post
      Ill have to check with the boarding barn to see if they will do soaked BP. I wish feed stores sold smaller bags of BP or TC lite to single horse owners with easy keepers! Ill try to find someone to split it with me.
      If BP isn't an option, any sort of hay pellet or even whatever feed the barn carries should be fine. Feeding 1/2 cup-1 cup shouldn't make much of a difference if you're using a multi-vite.

      If you go with TC Lite you'll be feeding between 2-3 lb probably. At 2 lb a day, 1 bag of TC Lite should last approximately 25 days, which isn't a terribly long time. TC 30, fed at 1/2 lb a day, will last approximately 100 days (assuming it is a 50 lb. bag which I believe it is). 100 days is a long time to have feed sitting around IMO. Have you talked to your BO? There may be horses at the barn who are already on TC 30 or another RB, then you could ask if they would be willing to split bags with you.
      come what may

      Rest in peace great mare, 1987-2013

      Comment


      • #23
        Originally posted by ActNatural View Post
        I was thinking also that TC lite would be more calories per 1/2 lb than the TC 30 or even the SS Solution 14/6,
        No.

        TCL is as said a little less than 1200 cal/lb. That's roughly the same as most RBs, give or take, and I guarantee any SS feed has at least 1300 cal/lb

        It's a LITE feed - lower calories per pound

        1/2 lb TC 30 or SS 14/6
        vitamin/mineral supplement
        MSM
        Corta-flex
        tablespoon flaxseed
        1/2lb of SS 14/6 is worthless. You would need to be feeding at least 2-3lb to get the same nutrition as 1/2lb of a RB.

        Also, with 1/2lb of a RB for a 14h pony, you don't really need a v/m supp. If she's working really hard but still doesn't need real calories, then I can see 1/2 serving of a v/m supp with 1/2lb of a RB.

        You can try 3/4-1lb of the RB if you want. Volume-wise that's not a lot - 3c in most cases, though I've seen one (Enrich 32?) measure at 2c/lb but I might be misremembering that. You just have to weight whatever one you use. I can tell you Progressive is 3c/lb and I'm fairly certain TC30 is the same.
        ______________________________
        The CoTH CYA - please consult w/your veterinarian under any and all circumstances. - ET

        Comment


        • #24
          Originally posted by ActNatural View Post
          Thanks everyone! She will be getting grass hay.

          I was thinking also that TC lite would be more calories per 1/2 lb than the TC 30 or even the SS Solution 14/6, which is what she is on now but at 3 quarts (another long story-you may have read earlier posts) because my current barn is using it to replace hay so Ill probably go the route of:
          1/2 lb TC 30 or SS 14/6
          vitamin/mineral supplement
          MSM
          Corta-flex
          tablespoon flaxseed

          And see how it goes. I do want to keep the corta-flex because I do think it helps her stifle.

          Thanks everyone for your input! Im learning so much!
          Feeding a ration balancer (TC 30) AND a vitamin and mineral supplement is duplication of effort and money. Feed one, OR the other. Not both.

          Also, a tablespoon of flax is nothing. You might as well not feed it if you're going to feed a tablespoon. Mine get 1 cup a day, and that's less than some recommendations.
          "If you think nobody cares about you, try missing a couple payments..."

          Comment

          • Original Poster

            #25
            I was thinking 1/2 lb of TC 30 would be, what? 1 cup roughly? Ill weight it of course but would she really be getting enough vitamins in 1 cup of TC 30? Does it really have concentrated vitamin levels like the TC lite?

            Good to know if so because I like to save $.

            Comment


            • #26
              ActNatural,

              It is about the bottom line. Meaning adding 2 products such as a vit/min supp and a RB may or may not be wise. The result could be you are oversupplementing and there are some things you just do not want to do that with (Se just for example....very fine line for error there).

              When should you mix 2 products? There are reasons. Just for example you have an extremely easy keeper and can only feed a fraction (lets just say 1/2) of the RB of your choice cuz at a full feeding it is just too many calories. You would need to make up the difference with a vit/mineral supp and also then consider what else may be lacking (EAA's for example).

              I avoid ration balancers in my herd of very easy keepers. The feed I mix for them is fortified and balanced for EAA, vit and minerals. I select a couple oil grains (whole roasted soybeans and in winter also flax) in modest amounts and also add modest amounts of soybean oil. These oil ingredients provide the Omegas and keep them sleek and shiny. While quality grass is omega 3 rich.....well not so much this summer with the drought. Even our spring grass kinda stunk. But I was feeding a little feed along and the oil ingredients I used were enough. I did not have to add flax to keep their coats shiny and nice. Now that winter is fast approaching and pasture pretty much gone I will be adding flax. But I only have to add 2-3oz per horse depending on size and not 6-8oz like many others cuz my ration ready contains the balance of their needs.

              So why do I go to all this effort vs rip open a bag and feed? For a couple reasons, this herd in general are very easy keepers and I keep their feed as low calorie as possible so I can max the poundage the receive daily. Then I max whenever possible volume. And I max chew time when possible. The feed I am feeding this winter runs roughly 1000 cal/lb. And frankly I can only get away with feeding a feed that high in calories is cuz the drought hay this year was just not so wonderful.

              Also cuz I am feeding a herd and not just 1 or 2 I do this for cost savings too.

              How I feed the main herd and how I feed my hard keeper....totally 2 different worlds! He does need energy dense feed.

              You need to sit down and eval how many calories your horse needs based and age, breed and feeding style. You then need an idea of how many pounds your horse is eating daily. Then you can start pulling together some numbers from GA's and working thru a couple different feeding strategies and check/recheck to see if her ration is balanced.

              Unless your horse lives off air like mine do I think you will likely find that a high quality RB is the best way to go for a "normal" easy keeper that is getting worked some. If adding a little bit of flax makes you feel like that brings out the dapples and shiny coat then go for it. But before you mix a vit/min supp on top the RB double check the amounts and possibly any resulting issues.....such as overdoing and causing toxicity.

              Comment


              • #27
                Triple Crown 30% Supplement
                Quote from the site:
                For balancing pasture and/or hay, feed 1 lb. to 1.5 lbs. per 1000 lbs. of body weight. Feed .5 lbs. to .75 lbs. for ponies. For horses in moderate to high levels of activity, and for broodmares and breeding stallions, feed 1.5 lbs. to 2 lbs. per day.
                For balanced diets where current feeding rates fall below the minimum for that diet, add .5 lbs. to 1 lb. per 1000 lbs. of body weight along with the diet being fed. Feed .25 lbs. to .5 lbs. for ponies. For horses in moderate to high levels of activity, and for broodmares and breeding stallions, feed 1 lb. per day.
                So basically you can feed as little as 5. lb. and as much as 2 lb. a day. Because your horse is a 14 hh. pony and in "moderate" work at most, 1 lb. a day would be a good "maximum" to feed. However, yes, .5 lb. should provide adequate vitamins/minerals. IIWY I would feed .75 lb. a day and wouldn't feed a multi-vitamin with that. I may up it to 1 lb. depending on work load and forage quality.
                I have no idea how many cups 1/2 lb. would be, I don't feed by cups.
                YES it has concentrated vitamins/minerals.
                TC Lite is LESS concentrated than TC 30 as TC Lite is designed to be fed at 1-2 lb. per 500 lb. of body weight, quote from TC below:
                MATURE HORSES: Feed 1-2 pounds of Triple Crown Lite per 500 pounds of body weight per day. If more than 4 pounds of Triple Crown Lite is required to maintain the horse’s desired body condition a switch to another Triple Crown formulation such as Low Starch may be necessary.
                TC Lite is designed for horses where an rb is not keeping weight on but the horse gets too fat at the 5-7 lb. recommended for most commercial feeds.

                Hopefully this helps.
                come what may

                Rest in peace great mare, 1987-2013

                Comment


                • #28
                  If a ration balancer is not being fed at the "required" or "suggested" amounts, a horse is not necessarily getting an optimum level of vitamins/minerals. Only my hard keepers (and those are few and far between) and broodmares end up getting the suggested 2 pounds per day, so the ones who get less RB do get an added vit/min to make up the difference.
                  Click here before you buy.

                  Comment

                  • Original Poster

                    #29
                    I moved her yesterday and she's a bit on the chub side because the previous barn manager refused to reduce her grain when I asked (saying he disagreed and that I should reduce her hay-this is the same person who didnt want to give her hay ay night in the stall for 15 hours-which I later overheard him saying its because less manure in the stall, save money on bedding, less time to clean the stall, grain is cheaper than hay, less storage space, and easier to go pick up bags at the feed store vs get a load of hay) He's a real special guy and wanted to prove his point....i digress.....

                    She's on a handful of TC lite, her MSM, and corta-flex. The hay is excellent plentiful and her new field still has green grass because it hasnt been overgrazed all summer so Ill keep an eye on her condition and add flax if she needs it and I also have an appointment with my vet next week to do an exam on her and Ill talk to him about her diet then.


                    Thanks everyone!

                    Comment


                    • #30
                      ActNatural are you even reading everyone's posts? TC Lite needs to be fed at 2-3 POUNDS a day, not "a handful". Please just read through everyone's posts as there is a ton of good info here. Unless you are adding a vit/min supplement to that TC Lite, she probably isn't getting enough vit/mins. If you don't test her hay, there is no way to tell if it is as high quality as you think it is.

                      I don't know why she would need flax if she is on good pasture, her condition is probably going to improve.

                      I hope you are slowly transitioning to grass or have her in a grazing muzzle, she could founder otherwise.
                      come what may

                      Rest in peace great mare, 1987-2013

                      Comment

                      • Original Poster

                        #31
                        Well, I definitely dont want to put her on 2 or 3 lbs of lite in combination with an increase of grass while she is a hair on the chub side. I do have a vitamin/min supplement on hand but am going to wait until I see the vet and talk to him about it. I know that she isnt getting enough vit/min with one handful of TC lite.

                        And dont worry, I do have a muzzle on hand. I have also been hand grazing her quite a bit these past months because of the lack of grass in her field and lately to prep for the move.

                        Comment


                        • #32
                          I actually just switched my easy keeper that needs to lose a few pounds to tc 30. So far so good. He is dropping a little weight and i know he is getting the nutrients he needs. He is a 15.2 h horse so he gets the 1 lb. I also switched my dd pony to it he gets 1/2 lb because he is 13.3 h and needs to drop weight.
                          Horses aren't our whole life, but makes our life whole

                          Comment


                          • #33
                            The other thing to keep in mind is that your horse needs adequate protein. We had a horse at a our barn who is an air fern. She was holding her weight just fine when fed some soaked beet pulp with a vit/min supplement along with grass and hay. But her feet were terrible.

                            She's now on TC Senior (2 quarts/twice a day) plus a vitamin/min supplement and she looks great. Her feet have improved tremendously. She doesn't get enough senior to cover her entire nutritional needs but the vitamin/min supplement wasn't enough either.

                            Another horse at my barn, also an air fern, is on TC lite plus a vitamin/min supplement. This one is a Missouri Foxtrotter who is maybe 14.3 and she gets a quart am/pm of the TC.
                            Equine Ink - My soapbox for equestrian writings & reviews.
                            EquestrianHow2 - Operating instructions for your horse.

                            Comment

                            Working...
                            X