• Welcome to the Chronicle Forums.
    Please complete your profile. The forums and the rest of www.chronofhorse.com has single sign-in, so your log in information for one will automatically work for the other. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are the views of the individual and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of The Chronicle of the Horse.

Announcement

Collapse

Forum rules and no-advertising policy

As a participant on this forum, it is your responsibility to know and follow our rules. Please read this message in its entirety.

Board Rules

1. You’re responsible for what you say.
As outlined in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, The Chronicle of the Horse and its affiliates, as well Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., the developers of vBulletin, are not legally responsible for statements made in the forums.

This is a public forum viewed by a wide spectrum of people, so please be mindful of what you say and who might be reading it—details of personal disputes are likely better handled privately. While posters are legally responsible for their statements, the moderators may in their discretion remove or edit posts that violate these rules. Users have the ability to modify or delete their own messages after posting, but administrators generally will not delete posts, threads or accounts upon request.

Outright inflammatory, vulgar, harassing, malicious or otherwise inappropriate statements and criminal charges unsubstantiated by a reputable news source or legal documentation will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of the moderators.

2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.
The forums are a wonderful source of information and support for members of the horse community. While it’s understandably tempting to share information or search for input on other topics upon which members might have a similar level of knowledge, members must maintain the focus on horses.

3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.

4. No advertising in the discussion forums.
Posts in the discussion forums directly or indirectly advertising horses, jobs, items or services for sale or wanted will be removed at the discretion of the moderators. Use of the private messaging feature or email addresses obtained through users’ profiles for unsolicited advertising is not permitted.

Company representatives may participate in discussions and answer questions about their products or services, or suggest their products on recent threads if they fulfill the criteria of a query. False "testimonials" provided by company affiliates posing as general consumers are not appropriate, and self-promotion of sales, ad campaigns, etc. through the discussion forums is not allowed.

Paid advertising is available on our classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.

Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:

Horses – Only general discussion about the buying, leasing, selling and pricing of horses is permitted. If the post contains, or links to, the type of specific information typically found in a sales or wanted ad, and it’s related to a horse for sale, regardless of who’s selling it, it doesn’t belong in the discussion forums.

Stallions – Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.

Services – Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.

Products – While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.

Event Announcements – Members may post one notification of an upcoming event that may be of interest to fellow members, if the original poster does not benefit financially from the event. Such threads may not be “bumped” excessively. Premium members may post their own notices in the Event Announcements forum.

Charities/Rescues – Announcements for charitable or fundraising events can only be made for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations. Special exceptions may be made, at the moderators’ discretion and direction, for board-related events or fundraising activities in extraordinary circumstances.

Occasional posts regarding horses available for adoption through IRS-registered horse rescue or placement programs are permitted in the appropriate forums, but these threads may be limited at the discretion of the moderators. Individuals may not advertise or make announcements for horses in need of rescue, placement or adoption unless the horse is available through a recognized rescue or placement agency or government-run entity or the thread fits the criteria for and is located in the Giveaways forum.

5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.

6. Respect other members.
As members are often passionate about their beliefs and intentions can easily be misinterpreted in this type of environment, try to explore or resolve the inevitable disagreements that arise in the course of threads calmly and rationally.

If you see a post that you feel violates the rules of the board, please click the “alert” button (exclamation point inside of a triangle) in the bottom left corner of the post, which will alert ONLY the moderators to the post in question. They will then take whatever action, or no action, as deemed appropriate for the situation at their discretion. Do not air grievances regarding other posters or the moderators in the discussion forums.

Please be advised that adding another user to your “Ignore” list via your User Control Panel can be a useful tactic, which blocks posts and private messages by members whose commentary you’d rather avoid reading.

7. We have the right to reproduce statements made in the forums.
The Chronicle of the Horse may copy, quote, link to or otherwise reproduce posts, or portions of posts, in print or online for advertising or editorial purposes, if attributed to their original authors, and by posting in this forum, you hereby grant to The Chronicle of the Horse a perpetual, non-exclusive license under copyright and other rights, to do so.

8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.
The moderators may delete, edit, move or close any post or thread at any time, or refrain from doing any of the foregoing, in their discretion, and may suspend or revoke a user’s membership privileges at any time to maintain adherence to the rules and the general spirit of the forum. These rules may be amended at any time to address the current needs of the board.

Please see our full Terms of Service and Privacy Policy for more information.

Thanks for being a part of the COTH forums!

(Revised 1/26/16)
See more
See less

Hind gut ulcers/colitis/right dorsal displacement and all it entails....

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • #21
    Just FYI in case you did not know. The Succeed test does NOT tell you if a horse has hind gut ulcers. Basically it tells you that there is blood coming from that area. There are many reasons for it, not always hind gut ulcers. Can be as simple as worms or sand in the gut making the test positive for blood from that area.

    Comment


    • #22
      I went thru this with Beignet, spontaneous colitis. Oh what fun.

      Now... Here is what is interesting (to me). When we castrated him six months later, he bled. And bled. OMG, he bled. No clotting disorder. No surgical issue, so why? Turns out his protein was low. Really low. Gve him plasma and he stopped bleeding.

      So why the low protein? Not his diet. At some point, when we have recovered mentally LOL we need to start working on why the low protein and checking it. I will not be surprised if there is not some underlying issue. And this is the baby who had the * perfect * upbringing.

      Those of you with these odd issues, are you checking protein? Those of you who have, did your horse ever have low protein before?
      "Kindness is free" ~ Eurofoal
      ---
      The CoTH CYA - please consult w/your veterinarian under any and all circumstances.

      Comment


      • #23
        My guy showed low protein and presented all other signs of colonic ulcers and was finally scoped and did not have gastric ulcers. I am going to run another CBC on him in another month or so and see if the proteins are back up.

        For anyone out there reading this and suspecting ulcers - take my advice and scope right away so you know what you're dealing with. I really wish I had scoped right away and could have avoided the painful summer my poor boy had as I could have started treating for colon issues sooner.

        Comment


        • #24
          I see what you are saying bucksnort but they are also finding that the fasting for scoping can cause gastric ulcers in some horses so that really complicates what is going on.

          Comment

          • Original Poster

            #25
            Here's my 7 week update:

            I had to abandon the pelleted-only-feed route as I mentioned in my earlier post, though I kept up with the Succeed and Sucralfate.

            Then maybe 2 weeks ago I pulled my guy off of Sucralfate and moved him back to 2 grain feedings (1 sc 2x a day in addition to his hay). He was on the Sucralfate for a total of 6 weeks (ish), and my vet said to let him be done with it when I ran out of my last bottle.

            He is still on Succeed, probiotics (Equerry's Choice, I think, which has the YeaSacc in it), and apple cider vinegar (1 oz two times a day with his grain), and he's cleaning up his meals as well as he did while he was on omeprazole.

            I'll go back to what I've said before. In my guy's case (not trying to say this is the case for all or even many other horses), I think the root of the problem and the cause of the colic episodes was the omeprazole. That's out of his diet and he's back to his normal self.

            And I guess I feel like for him, despite testing positive for hind gut ulcers, the HGU were not the root issue. He *may* have had them, but I think if they were there they were a symptom of the omeprazole, not a systemic issue.

            Sorry to hear you're still in the midst of this bucksnort. I saw your PM and I feel for you. It was hard trying to keep my guy off of grass (particularly difficult on my farm since the only space without grass is a stall, and he's not a fan of being in the barn alone.....or of being in a stall at home in general). And the no hay thing didn't go over well either. I am relieved that in my case going back to hay and grass made such a positive difference. But again, in my case I think we identified the causative agent. I wouldn't have felt as comfortable doing that without that thought.

            Good luck to you and feel free to contact me by PM if you want to chat.
            __________________________________
            Flying F Sport Horses
            Horses in the NW

            Comment

            • Original Poster

              #26
              Originally posted by EqTrainer View Post
              Those of you with these odd issues, are you checking protein? Those of you who have, did your horse ever have low protein before?
              EqTrainer - My guy had low protein when he was admitted to the vet clinic for both colics. I feel like we had to have done bloodwork before for other reasons and I don't recall his protein being low in those cases, but I could be remembering normal bloodwork from some of my other horses, so don't rely on my vague recollection of things I'll ask my vet to take a look at his records, though.
              __________________________________
              Flying F Sport Horses
              Horses in the NW

              Comment


              • #27
                I'm still knee deep in 5x day feedings with my girl. Thank God for you COTHers, because my vet, though super nice, was clueless with what to do and none of her suggestions worked. My mare was gas colicky almost daily for two and half weeks before I read comments on this board that helped tremendously. Taking her off hay flakes 3x day and going to strictly hay pellets 5x day made a huge difference. I was already feeding her 2 cups of corn oil per day, so I just split it up into smaller doses with each feeding, plus adding psyllium and Succeed and a probiotic. I think adding a pre- and probiotic is beneficial. It's getting the good bacteria and microbes going again in their gut that helps them digest the long stem fiber.

                My mare still has some gas build-up, looks a bit bloated, but at least she's not dropping like a brick each day rolling in agony anymore. I did start turning her out in the pasture for a good bit of the day again, but with a grazing muzzle. Helps her sanity, and keeps her moving around helping the gas get out. She would hoover her meals and go nuts when the other horses were still munching hay. I even scattered some hay pellets around her stall to keep her busy.

                As others have mentioned, the 5x day thing is a timesuck and emotionally draining. I see a bit of light at the end of the tunnel, but we're not there yet.

                Comment


                • #28
                  Originally posted by dressageaholic View Post
                  I'm still knee deep in 5x day feedings with my girl. Thank God for you COTHers, because my vet, though super nice, was clueless with what to do and none of her suggestions worked. My mare was gas colicky almost daily for two and half weeks before I read comments on this board that helped tremendously. Taking her off hay flakes 3x day and going to strictly hay pellets 5x day made a huge difference. I was already feeding her 2 cups of corn oil per day, so I just split it up into smaller doses with each feeding, plus adding psyllium and Succeed and a probiotic. I think adding a pre- and probiotic is beneficial. It's getting the good bacteria and microbes going again in their gut that helps them digest the long stem fiber.

                  My mare still has some gas build-up, looks a bit bloated, but at least she's not dropping like a brick each day rolling in agony anymore. I did start turning her out in the pasture for a good bit of the day again, but with a grazing muzzle. Helps her sanity, and keeps her moving around helping the gas get out. She would hoover her meals and go nuts when the other horses were still munching hay. I even scattered some hay pellets around her stall to keep her busy.

                  As others have mentioned, the 5x day thing is a timesuck and emotionally draining. I see a bit of light at the end of the tunnel, but we're not there yet.
                  Why cant she eat grass?
                  "Kindness is free" ~ Eurofoal
                  ---
                  The CoTH CYA - please consult w/your veterinarian under any and all circumstances.

                  Comment


                  • #29
                    Our grass in Florida is super sugary most of the year, unless we have a freeze, so my other horses wear grazing muzzles all year round when they're out (they each get out either all day or all night). My mare with ulcerative colitis was fine wearing the grazing muzzle before she got colitis, but now she can't tolerate it and will try cribbing on the gate when it's on (but not when it's off). So I've had to keep her in her stall w/attached dirt paddock most of the day, with limited, supervised turnout.

                    I'm scared to death of letting her have grass that is too sugary, super afraid it might set her back in her recovery. Some things I have read on RDC/ulcerative colitis suggest no grass for at least 30 days.

                    Luckily winter is here and I think the sugar levels will lower and I think/hope/pray I will be able to let her out most of the day without a muzzle soon. Again, my sincere thanks for all the shared info about RDC on here. The three vets I talked to did not diagnose her correctly and she only got some relief after putting her on the RDC no long stem fiber diet. Her symptoms were right on the money for RDC.

                    Comment

                    Working...
                    X