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  • hoof wall hydration

    This is interesting research and runs counter to what many say/advise. Enjoy

    http://www.thehorse.com/ViewArticle.aspx?ID=20607

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22369538

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    Interesting. I would have thought there would be at least some difference in moisture levels!

    So Rick, if it isn't moisture levels, what do you think is the cause of the differences in hoof response to soaking wet vs. very dry conditions? Both my riding ponies have had the tendancy to grow straight & high 'coke can feet' in the dry season, but to have their hoof walls flare out at sole level if we have persistent mud. I can't get hoof wall height in mud season.
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    • #3
      Study conducted on feral horses, not domestic. I wouldn't expect to find any living feral horses with moisture susceptible feet. Certainly they wouldn't last long enough to breed.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by HorsesinHaiti View Post
        Both my riding ponies have had the tendancy to grow straight & high 'coke can feet' in the dry season, but to have their hoof walls flare out at sole level if we have persistent mud. I can't get hoof wall height in mud season.
        Are they literally ponies? What breed(s)?

        I cannot remember details, but I read a study several years ago that showed that different breeds can easily have issues in certain environments, because of how their feet developed in the environment they evolved in. For example (and forgive me if I mix up some details, but you'll get the idea), some draft breeds never did well in dry environments because their wider, more platter-like feet couldn't deal with constantly hard ground. Likewise, horses whose breeding evolved in arid climates tended to not do well in areas that were wet a lot of the time, much as you are experiencing.
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        • #5
          Maybe it would be interesting to see how the forage tested during the wet vs dry conditions.

          It may have nothing to do with the wet on the feet rather the impact of the wet on the forage going in the horse.

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          • #6
            What, if anything, does this suggest about the use of topical "hoof dressings"?

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            • #7
              Quite interesting. Thanks!

              Now, how will all the hoof dressing/oil/moisturizer/goop companies sell their snake oil?
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              • #8
                Very interesting! My initial reaction to reading that the hoof wall doesn't absorb water but that the sole does re: having observed hooves going splat in wet weather is that the sole might play a greater role in holding the foot together than I had realized. Which for my horses in their wet locale would possibly mean the application of Durasole and Keratex, etc. to help remedy the situation.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Guilherme View Post
                  What, if anything, does this suggest about the use of topical "hoof dressings"?

                  G.
                  Nothing. But there is a study on domestic horses that suggests that topical dressings are useless, though they didn't check out gasoline.
                  http://www.thehorse.com/viewarticle....%3AImage1.y=11

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                    #10
                    IME, the use of topical hoof dressings is more for the human connection than the horse, though I do note that when certain ones are applied, the first layer or two of cells that comprise the very outermost portion of the wall(both the stratum tectorium and stratum medium) does seem to change in feel to the touch. And, yes, I do understand and freely acknowledge that anecdotes are not the plural of, data.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by JB View Post
                      Are they literally ponies? What breed(s)?

                      I cannot remember details, but I read a study several years ago that showed that different breeds can easily have issues in certain environments, because of how their feet developed in the environment they evolved in. For example (and forgive me if I mix up some details, but you'll get the idea), some draft breeds never did well in dry environments because their wider, more platter-like feet couldn't deal with constantly hard ground. Likewise, horses whose breeding evolved in arid climates tended to not do well in areas that were wet a lot of the time, much as you are experiencing.
                      Haitian ponies come from the same root stock (French and Spanish saddle horses) as the Paso Fino. They have a Paso Fino body type, but not the highly developed specialty gaits. Both riding ponies were/are between 12 and 13 hands and a bit over 600 pounds.

                      I regularly trim three small ponies, 300-440 pounds and not ridden, who grow their walls downwards without much flaring year round. I'd always thought that the extra weight of the larger horse (and occasionally of a rider) was supportable by the wall material when it was hard and dry, and not quite supportable when 'water softened the hoof'. If that isn't it - then lack of extra retained sole material and not the presence of moisture is the weakening factor putting the distal hoof wall past the 'tipping point'?

                      Hoover the riding pony hasn't had wall fit to nip since the rains started falling, so I can't compare how hard he is to nip in rainy season vs. dry season.
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                      • #12
                        IME, the paso type, and related breeds, do tend (tend!) to have a more upright hoof form.

                        Can you get anything like Keratex Hoof Hardener? I wonder how that would work on them during your wet season to keep some amount of "splat" from happening?

                        Interesting thought about retained sole, due to dryness, vs lack of it and wetter/softer walls.
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                        • #13
                          Not sure about the "measured in vitro" thing. How does a dead horse hydrate it's feet?

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                          • #14
                            Interesting, thanks for the links.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Tom Bloomer View Post
                              Not sure about the "measured in vitro" thing. How does a dead horse hydrate it's feet?
                              and when a hoof is trimmed the leavings after a few days dehydrate and curl and shrink...

                              it would make more sense that the sole suffers damage and then then spreads that weakness to the structures above it...

                              but that said, I'm not getting rid of my pipe cement any time soon

                              best to you Tom

                              Tamara
                              Production Acres,Pro A Welsh Cobs
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                                #16
                                Originally posted by Tamara in TN View Post
                                and when a hoof is trimmed the leavings after a few days dehydrate and curl and shrink...
                                "The moisture content (of the hoof) is controlled by the internal circulation, which is fairly constant in the healthy horse."

                                So it would stand to reason that hoof trimmings, having been removed from access to internal [hoof] circulation and thus moisture, would indeed dehydrate, curl and shrink.
                                it would make more sense that the sole suffers damage and then then spreads that weakness to the structures above it...
                                What sort of damage does it suffer and how does it spread that weakness to the structures(which structures?) above it?

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                                • #17
                                  hi Rick
                                  if we bruise or weaken the sole and it has has only up to travel thru the hoof to escape then it does damage to the main hoof body.And if it abcesses out the top in an impressive enough way then it has to grow back to the ground to resolve totally

                                  Tamara
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                                  • #18
                                    I haven't read the whole thing, but this article discusses hydration and tubules

                                    http://www.nzerf.co.nz/Attachments/T...de%20Story.pdf

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                                    • #19
                                      grr - another reason to ask

                                      Another angle - literally - on the whole 'what is weakening in the wet season' thing. I trimmed Hoover's hinds last weekend, noticed some faint wall bruising, thought I had his hinds under control so far as his hard soles would let me.

                                      Yesterday I used some trial shims under his saddle - muzzle kisses to Kate! - and Hoover moved out way better than ever before. Willing to hold a step-pace for a good while, had a nice 3 1/2 mile ride on the flat, thought we were doing well.

                                      We got back and that afternoon I realized the lateral side of his rear hoof walls had quite the streak of horizontal bruising going on about 2/3 of the way up. Looked closer and found I hadn't controlled the flare as well as I thought . A bit too much toe plus the extra work in a higher gear probably was the main trigger. This morning's ride got cancelled for a hoof soaking and trimming session of course, backing up toe and taking off all the flare I could find, then putting a good bevel on everything. He isn't lame, but his greenie trimmer isn't happy with herself.

                                      But since we've had about one decent rain per week lately, giving us several wet-dry cycles, meaning he's been accumulating and then losing dead sole, also play a role? It's interesting that when I left a little too much on right after the first rain after a long dry season, his hinds responded by chipping 1/3" all around instead of flaring. This time, they flared and bruised his walls- and I had deliberately not let him build up much wall. I thought. Except at the toe where there was solid hard sole last weekend.
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