• Welcome to the Chronicle Forums.
    Please complete your profile. The forums and the rest of www.chronofhorse.com has single sign-in, so your log in information for one will automatically work for the other. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are the views of the individual and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of The Chronicle of the Horse.



Forum rules and no-advertising policy

As a participant on this forum, it is your responsibility to know and follow our rules. Please read this message in its entirety.

Board Rules

1. You’re responsible for what you say.
As outlined in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, The Chronicle of the Horse and its affiliates, as well Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., the developers of vBulletin, are not legally responsible for statements made in the forums.

This is a public forum viewed by a wide spectrum of people, so please be mindful of what you say and who might be reading it—details of personal disputes are likely better handled privately. While posters are legally responsible for their statements, the moderators may in their discretion remove or edit posts that violate these rules. Users have the ability to modify or delete their own messages after posting, but administrators generally will not delete posts, threads or accounts upon request.

Outright inflammatory, vulgar, harassing, malicious or otherwise inappropriate statements and criminal charges unsubstantiated by a reputable news source or legal documentation will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of the moderators.

2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.
The forums are a wonderful source of information and support for members of the horse community. While it’s understandably tempting to share information or search for input on other topics upon which members might have a similar level of knowledge, members must maintain the focus on horses.

3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.

4. No advertising in the discussion forums.
Posts in the discussion forums directly or indirectly advertising horses, jobs, items or services for sale or wanted will be removed at the discretion of the moderators. Use of the private messaging feature or email addresses obtained through users’ profiles for unsolicited advertising is not permitted.

Company representatives may participate in discussions and answer questions about their products or services, or suggest their products on recent threads if they fulfill the criteria of a query. False "testimonials" provided by company affiliates posing as general consumers are not appropriate, and self-promotion of sales, ad campaigns, etc. through the discussion forums is not allowed.

Paid advertising is available on our classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.

Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:

Horses – Only general discussion about the buying, leasing, selling and pricing of horses is permitted. If the post contains, or links to, the type of specific information typically found in a sales or wanted ad, and it’s related to a horse for sale, regardless of who’s selling it, it doesn’t belong in the discussion forums.

Stallions – Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.

Services – Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.

Products – While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.

Event Announcements – Members may post one notification of an upcoming event that may be of interest to fellow members, if the original poster does not benefit financially from the event. Such threads may not be “bumped” excessively. Premium members may post their own notices in the Event Announcements forum.

Charities/Rescues – Announcements for charitable or fundraising events can only be made for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations. Special exceptions may be made, at the moderators’ discretion and direction, for board-related events or fundraising activities in extraordinary circumstances.

Occasional posts regarding horses available for adoption through IRS-registered horse rescue or placement programs are permitted in the appropriate forums, but these threads may be limited at the discretion of the moderators. Individuals may not advertise or make announcements for horses in need of rescue, placement or adoption unless the horse is available through a recognized rescue or placement agency or government-run entity or the thread fits the criteria for and is located in the Giveaways forum.

5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.

6. Respect other members.
As members are often passionate about their beliefs and intentions can easily be misinterpreted in this type of environment, try to explore or resolve the inevitable disagreements that arise in the course of threads calmly and rationally.

If you see a post that you feel violates the rules of the board, please click the “alert” button (exclamation point inside of a triangle) in the bottom left corner of the post, which will alert ONLY the moderators to the post in question. They will then take whatever action, or no action, as deemed appropriate for the situation at their discretion. Do not air grievances regarding other posters or the moderators in the discussion forums.

Please be advised that adding another user to your “Ignore” list via your User Control Panel can be a useful tactic, which blocks posts and private messages by members whose commentary you’d rather avoid reading.

7. We have the right to reproduce statements made in the forums.
The Chronicle of the Horse may copy, quote, link to or otherwise reproduce posts, or portions of posts, in print or online for advertising or editorial purposes, if attributed to their original authors, and by posting in this forum, you hereby grant to The Chronicle of the Horse a perpetual, non-exclusive license under copyright and other rights, to do so.

8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.
The moderators may delete, edit, move or close any post or thread at any time, or refrain from doing any of the foregoing, in their discretion, and may suspend or revoke a user’s membership privileges at any time to maintain adherence to the rules and the general spirit of the forum. These rules may be amended at any time to address the current needs of the board.

Please see our full Terms of Service and Privacy Policy for more information.

Thanks for being a part of the COTH forums!

(Revised 1/26/16)
See more
See less

Teeth/mouth issues - a question (and a bit long)

  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Teeth/mouth issues - a question (and a bit long)

    I'm curious as to how many of you have found residual issues after a float?

    Horse was floated at the end of May, about 13 months after his last one (power float with sedation, same vet this time as last year). He had been exhibiting some escalating resistance (big head tosses, balks, lunging sideways)... BO felt around and said "yes, definitely some hooks and rough places in there." So I had the vet come out and float him within a few days. He was... better after that, but still somewhat reluctant to give me any bend to the inside rein on the right. Left was back to normal. I'm not asking for BIG bending either, just looking for the corner of the eye.

    So, have now had chiro out twice, thinking it was a problem somewhere else in the body. She identified nothing huge in the way of subluxations, a few out places (right SI, C3, C4). She also did acupuncture on him this last visit. When I rode him last night, his gaits were more fluid and even (he tends to be a leftie) but the moment I asked for a light contact (i.e. training level posture) or a bend I get BIG twisty head jerks, angry ears and big resistence all around. In either direction.

    I am not experienced enough to shove my hand up in his mouth and feel for specific problems, and the past few days there hasn't even been horse experienced adult to hold him for me to even try. The chiro (who is a licensed vet) did not identify any TMJ issues during treatments. He is eating fine, was actually recently moved from his smaller dirt lot to a grass pasture and seems to be putting on some pounds (he wasn't under, but has a willowy build anyway).

    So, my thought tend to go back to his mouth. Could it still be teeth or some other oral/dental problem?

    Almost forgot to put in - 14 YO Arab gelding. Only other health issue since I have owned him was a minor bout with sand colic impaction, no surgery required, no recurrence. He is shod by an excellent farrier and has no footy issues.


  • #2
    Are you sure that your saddle fits correctly? What type of bit are you using?

    I have never been one to get my horses teeth floated. My gelding who was 21 only had it done once and most of my teenaged horses had never had it done. I have the vet check them when he is here, they didn't need it. I guess I am just lucky.


    • Original Poster

      The bit is a Myler wide-barrel comfort snaffle Baucher. He also has worn a plain, short-shank mullen-mouth pelham.


      • #4
        I'd have the dentist back out for a look. He did use a speculum, correct? Were there hooks in the very back of the mouth, and were they addressed? Were there any ulcers in the mouth that perhaps are still being aggravated and not healing?


        • #5
          I just asked because if he is fine until you ask for him to bend it could be your saddle is putting pressure or maybe pinching him when he gives to the bit. If his teeth or mouth were still bothering him I would think he would act uncomfortable whenever he had a bit in his mouth, not just when you ask him to give/ bend.
          It was just a thought. I am not familiar with the bits you are using. I only ride in a full cheek snaffle. It seems to work for us no matter what horse I use it on.


          • Original Poster

            Candy - The only reason I haven't looked more closely at the saddle is that it is the same one we have been using for four years - have had no problems. He hasn't changed shape in any very drastic way, and I usually check and double check on wither clearance, the channel and make sure it's not sitting on his shoulder (it is a dressage saddle) at every ride. I have a western saddle that fits him, which I can try, although it doesn't put me in the best seat.
            The mylers are made not to collapse in the center - he has not been fond of single jointed bits in the past.
            here is a link to show what it looks like, just so you have an idea:

            The pelham we used was a plain mullen mouth, with short (4.5") shanks and the curb was kept fairly loose.

            While I don't get a lot of ears and crabbing during bridling, he was furiously BITING on the bit (not the sort of licky chewy thing, but crunch crunch crunch)

            Simkie - yes, they use the speculum and he is sedated. I need to look at his sheet from the vet again as I believe she made notes of her findings. I don't recall anything about ulcers or any open sore, I do seem to remember notes about ramps and possible hooks. I'm a little unsure about having the same vet out... I like to give the benefit of the doubt but at the same time... what if she misses something else? There is another vet at a different practice who does specialize more directly in dental practice. I used her before when we had more horses being done at a time as that practice's barn call fees were higher than the one I used this year and last year (more horses, less per capita barn call fee).

            Usually I like to attend when my horse has a dental and this year I didn't because my work had me out of town on the day it was being done


            • #7
              If he was floated using only one tool you can be certain the entire mouth wasn't floated properly. The upper last molars need a very specific length and angled float if they are to be addressed properly. It's common for horses to become unwilling to bend when the last molars become sharp and begin ulcerating the cheek.
              Check out the first minute of this video, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwUfy...2&feature=plcp, I explain a easy test(without endagering your fingers) to see if your horse is tender in the back of his mouth. Odds are he'll be more ouchy on his right side. Good Luck


              • #8
                It sounds like in your case it could be several things. It sounds like at least your vet did the basic things that are required to do a good float such as use a speculum and sedate. If they don't do those for basics it would be likely that not much constructive was done and you wasted your money. Certainly when a vet is out to the barn you could get another opinion on the teeth as there are a lot of different ways to do teeth. It is too bad you weren't there as it is always good when you can look and feel in the mouth before and after.

                A couple other things to consider is a bit fitting. Have the vet or a bit fitter look at the confirmation of the horses mouth. That can make a world of difference. Some horses get to where they just don't like a bit after awhile and changing a bit makes them happy. A lot of vets that are equine dentists can do bit evaluations.

                Another thing to think about is the saddle fitting. I know you say he hasn't changed shaped but there is more too it then that. If you can afford it, having a saddle fitter look at your horse yearly is a good idea. Some people have it done twice a year. You would be surprised at how much their shoulders change from year to year if you have a good saddle fitter do tracings. Good look!


                • #9
                  I would shop around for an equine dentist - yes, they are freakin' expensive, but they are also SO WORTH IT.
                  Having the dentist out every year is one of the few "spoiled" things our camp ponies get. Every single horse gets checked, unless the owner has specifically asked that they not be done.
                  Even horses that have been power-floated a few months prior by a vet have turned up major issues - like unerupted wolf teeth, broken & abcessed molars, serious "waves" to the incisors...
                  One of these ponies in particular was bought out from my lease by the camp owner - basically I had SEEN the pony's teeth get done in May, and in July he had his wolf teeth pulled (pony was 12, and had not been neglected by any stretch, but had never seen a proper dentist), 2 molars were abcessed/infected, and one incisor was missing its upper match - the bottom was growing up into the gum.

                  If you can, I would try him in a bitless just to see if he reacts differently - if he doesn't then you know that its probably not his teeth.