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  • Will Smart Gut test positive?

    Does anyone know for sure?
    PROUD MEMBER OF THE \"OMGiH I LOFF MY MARE\" CLIQUE

  • #2
    Only the drugs and medications department of your sport's governing body can tell you "for sure", but licorice root is a substance that could potentially be tested for.
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      #3
      thanks DeltaWave...thats interesting...I was actually worried about the slippery elm...thanks, I will check that too..
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      • #4
        There's not much to slippery elm as an active drug--it mostly acts as a coating agent. Licorice has all sorts of drug-like properties, though.
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        • #5
          I assume the list of ingredients and their amounts are on the Smart Pak web site? If so, copy that into an e-mail and send to the USEF drugs and meds e-mail address. They answered me fairly quickly when I had a question.

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          • #6
            I recall looking up all of the ingredients in SmartGut on the USEF banned substances list once and not finding any of them listed as banned. However, if I was going to show a horse on it I would do as Inca suggested and send an email to USEF to ask about it. If you do, please report back as I would love to hear their response. If you don't, I might, even though I'm not really showing at the moment.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by FineAlready View Post
              I recall looking up all of the ingredients in SmartGut on the USEF banned substances list once and not finding any of them listed as banned.
              That is not a complete list of banned drugs, so while the presence of a substance on the list can tell you for certain it's banned, the absence of a substance on the list doesn't tell you anything at all.

              The only way to know for certain is to call/email the drug hotline and ask about individual ingredients.

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              • #8
                Good to know licorice root tests. I give it to my OTTB in a bit of an interesting home made blend for his ulcers. I didn't even think of that. O.0
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by RedxHandedxJill View Post
                  Good to know licorice root tests. I give it to my OTTB in a bit of an interesting home made blend for his ulcers. I didn't even think of that. O.0
                  "Could potentially test" and "does test" are different things, which is why checking with the governing body of your sport is recommended.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by HappyVagrant View Post
                    That is not a complete list of banned drugs, so while the presence of a substance on the list can tell you for certain it's banned, the absence of a substance on the list doesn't tell you anything at all.

                    The only way to know for certain is to call/email the drug hotline and ask about individual ingredients.
                    Yes, that's kind of what I thought, which is why I would contact USEF to ask if I was planning to show on it. It really would be super helpful if they WOULD just publish a complete list of banned drugs. You would think they would want to do everything possible to help people comply with their rules, you know?

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                    • #11
                      If they publish a "complete list" you can be sure that someone will find a drug that's not on it.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by FineAlready View Post
                        Yes, that's kind of what I thought, which is why I would contact USEF to ask if I was planning to show on it. It really would be super helpful if they WOULD just publish a complete list of banned drugs. You would think they would want to do everything possible to help people comply with their rules, you know?
                        Right, but chemists will just whip up a new analog of an illegal drug. Bath salts, anyone? There's really no way to list EVERY banned drug, as items that have not yet been created will also be banned. No way to keep up with that.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Simkie View Post
                          Right, but chemists will just whip up a new analog of an illegal drug. Bath salts, anyone? There's really no way to list EVERY banned drug, as items that have not yet been created will also be banned. No way to keep up with that.
                          I suppose, but how hard would it be to add things to the list as they come up? I dunno. I just don't see it as being that difficult to at least maintain as current a list as possible.

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                          • #14
                            Hello COTH friends, SmartPak here! We just wanted to take this opportunity to answer your questions. SmartGut does not contain any ingredients specifically listed as Forbidden Substances in the USEF Drugs and Medications Guidelines. It is our understanding that the reason USEF sometimes advises against feeding licorice is that some forms of licorice are blended with clove or other plants that may contain a substance called eugenol, which is specifically listed among the USEF Forbidden Substances. (Eugenol may cause a positive drug test because when used topically it can mask pain; if it shows up in the horse’s system USEF can’t tell if it came from topical or oral use.) Because the licorice used in SmartGut is certified eugenol-free, SmartGut does not contain any substances listed as Forbidden. We hope this information is helpful, please let us know if you have any additional questions!
                            SmartPak.com/SmartSupplements

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                            • #15
                              Smart supplements, are you making that claim based on the printed list or has someone actually called USEF and verified each ingredient?

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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by FineAlready View Post
                                I suppose, but how hard would it be to add things to the list as they come up? I dunno. I just don't see it as being that difficult to at least maintain as current a list as possible.
                                I HAVE seen suspensions for substances not listed on the D&M list (before or after the hearing)
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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by Janet View Post
                                  I HAVE seen suspensions for substances not listed on the D&M list (before or after the hearing)
                                  Yep, I know. I'm just saying that I think it is really stupid that they don't add to the list as they go. I mean, if someone is suspended for a specific substance, I don't see why it would be difficult to add that substance to the list. The list still would not be 100% complete at all times, but at least it would be as complete as possible.

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                                  • #18
                                    I know Uckele G.U.T has similar ingredients including Licorice and I sent its ingredients list to USEF and they told me horse should be taken of supplement a week before showing. But I also have heard of people showing on it and being tested and it not showing up. So USEF will likely say Licorice of any kind is banned, but it will likely not test with current test methods - however the test methods could change any time, so I have stayed away from anything with Licorice which is a shame as horses seem to do good on it

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                                    • #19
                                      Drug testing does not really encompass sending that blood or urine sample to be tested for every possible known substance. That would require a LOT of blood.

                                      Horses seem to do well on bute, as well, but there's a reason it is banned . . .

                                      The "active ingredient" in licorice root, if ingested in sufficient quantities, can impact cortisol production and could be considered a de facto performance enhancer as such.
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                                      • #20
                                        The only person's opinion that matters is that of USEF. The only way to know FOR SURE, is to e-mail USEF with a lits of the ingredients, preferably with the amount of each active ingredient. I did that when I had a question about a supplement and got an answer from USEF the next day. Then you know for sure and have a written answer from USEF.

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