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  • #41
    I did not know about this thread when I PM'd you.

    For the others on the thread, clover can cause the same issue in some horses. Any legume, really. But alfalfa is the #1 culprit.

    As I always say on almost every scratches post, you HAVE To know what you are dealing with. And scrubbing at scabs is one of the worst things you can do. Scabs are protective. If they come off with gentle cleaning-fine. But using your fingernails or such is only going to allow more gunk IN THROUGH THE SKIN BARRIER.

    I almost killed my stallion using a vet recommended (albeit via phone) concoction of furacin, panacur and DMSO. I used it right, but horse reacted. I'm lucky he's alive today, not to mention sound and useable.

    It took me a year to learn about the alfalfa issue and pull it. It took me almost 18 mos more to figure out soy was the secondary culprit and why things wouldn't *quite* clear up all the way. Removed soy and we've been creeping crud free ever since, even with two of the wettest seasons on record. (including 12.5 inches of rain in a time we average TWO inches.)

    You really have to know what you're treating.

    And the baking soda is VERY interesting and is going in my arsenal.
    InnisFailte Pinto Sporthorses & Coloured Cobs

    Bits are like cats, what's one more? (Petstorejunkie)


    • #42
      I wonder if the baking soda paste would work on bug bite reactions?

      Very interesting idea for scratches!


      • #43
        I've had good luck using Nolvasan products. I first clip the area as closely as possible, then wash gently using Nolvasan shampoo. I then coat the area with the Nolvasan ointment.


        • #44
          For me the "miracle" cure for scratches outbreak is a cold hose and a gentle shampoo, followed by benzalkonium chloride and Keratex Mud Shield powder. I use Microtek shampoo initially, lathered gently with no scrubbing or picking. I then gently pat the area dry with paper towels and saturate it with the benzalkonium chloride solution.

          I then clip the area as much as possible without disturbing the lesions, wash it again, and reapply the benzalkonium chloride. I let that soak for several minutes, pat dry and let it air dry. When it's almost totally dry, I apply the Keratex powder (probably similar to the Gold Bond). A slight dampness helps the powder to stick.

          Benzalkonium chloride is sold in various brands as a fungicide spray, but it's effective against protozoa and bacteria, including staph. It's the same active ingredient that is used in Bactine.

          I happen to be using the Gateway brand called Fungi-Cide, cost $4.50 for 16 ounces.

          After the last outbreak, the swelling went down almost immediately after applying the Fungi-cide. I had first tried some furazone goop, but that just made the leg swell faster. I repeated the treatment daily until the leg stopped swelling and the heat was gone. I didn't use oral antibiotics this time, but have used SMZs in the past, when cellulitis had set in.

          After about a week or 10 days when the infection cleared, I was able to start softening the scabs and gently removing only those that would easily lift. I did this by shampooing and rinsing, coating the leg with aloe vera gel, letting that sit about 20 minutes, wash again, let the suds sit, and then with the hose trickling remove the loose crust with my fingers, applying more shampoo as needed to keep a lather going. I always follow this with fungi-cide and powder. I let it rest a few days before repeating the procedure. It takes three or four times to get most of the crusties and scabs removed.

          I use the same treatment every week or two as a preventive. I keep the area clipped, clean and powdered. I always wash (I prefer Sore-No-More shampoo) and apply Fungi-cide after clipping. I have had only one outbreak in a year after using this protocol.

          I believe the last outbreak occurred because I let the leg stay dirty for too long. Wait - no - it was after a WNV vaccine. A few days later, after wearing balistic bell boots all day, the pastern blew up. He's worn the boots before with no problem. I think the vaccine tripped out his immune system.

          Recently I allowed the skin to stay dirty for too long and it started to swell, but with the above treatment on two consecutive days he was fine.
          Last edited by LarkspurCO; Aug. 13, 2008, 02:48 PM.


          • #45
            Wait - no - it was after a WNV vaccine
            WNV vaccine is what triggered 'scratches' and cellulitus in two of the three who recieved it. The third died two months later, (unrelated, twisted gut post-foaling) so I don't know if she would've had it too.

            The son left for Louisianna. You can't get much different in terms of forage, soil, feed etc., Had the same scratches and cellulitus. He cleared up. Papa didn't. Took me too long to figure out the 'falf, and forever to figure out the soy connection. I've no idea if the son can handle alfalfa or soy now. Neither were an issue for the stallion before the WNV.

            I can PINPOINT it starting to that vaccine, because of the son getting it specifically to travel to his new home.
            InnisFailte Pinto Sporthorses & Coloured Cobs

            Bits are like cats, what's one more? (Petstorejunkie)