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I'm so ashamed, my horse is REALLY fat!/update 5/12

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  • I'm so ashamed, my horse is REALLY fat!/update 5/12

    Well what do y'all think? Enough weight lost? I personally think so but I thought she looked fine before when she was a regular butter ball.
    Before
    http://i42.tinypic.com/2cxxdhw.jpg

    How she looks now

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    I don't know what happened or why I didn't see this but had my girl at Auburn U a few weeks ago for an eye injury (all well now) and the Vet there scored her as a 7/9 on body condition. I asked if she was REALLY that fat and she replied "yes, she is".

    This mare had been getting two cups of timothy pellets, 1/4 cup ground flax and a half cup of rice bran twice a day, a lot of bermuda hay. I've always let her have free choice hay.

    I really couldn't still believe that she was so fat so this evening I scored her myself with help from this page
    http://www.equisearch.com/horses_car...thorse_102907/
    How to tell if your horse is fat
    Son of a gun I rated her an EIGHT!!

    i've cut her down to 1/4 cup timothy pellets, 1/4 cup ground flax twice a day, three hours on our pasture which isn't a rich pasture, hasn't been fertilized in years, a half flake of hay in the afternoon and a couple at night.

    When not in the pasture she's in a dry lot appx. 250 x 250. There is some very short grass in it but mostly dirt.

    I feel like I'm starving her to death!! She thinks I'm starving her to death!

    I can't imagine why this year she's getting so fat. She has always been an easy keeper but not like this.

    Guess if this nice Vet hadn't pointed it out to me I'd have just kept on feeding her til she foundered.

    I truely am ashamed.
    Last edited by pj; May. 12, 2012, 05:04 PM. Reason: update
    You know why cowboys don't like Appaloosas?" - Answer: Because to train a horse, you have to be smarter than it is.

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    We have a couple of horses that need to only be on 1 flake per day in the winter, and I just give them a handful when the other horses get hay so they are not totally upset.

    Super easy keepers need to be managed to be a bit under weight (ribby) B/S of a 4, before any grass starts to come in. Then they have a bit of a buffer.

    It is hard to not feed them, but it is more important that they not be fat, than to be too thin. Thin does not cause joint problems, foot problems, heart/lung problems, metabolic problems, etc.

    Tough love.

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    • #3
      Perhaps it's metabolic. Consider speaking to your get about these options if less calorie intake and more exercise doesn't start to trim her up I one to two months
      ...don't sh** where you eat...

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        #4
        Originally posted by Fairview Horse Center View Post
        We have a couple of horses that need to only be on 1 flake per day in the winter, and I just give them a handful when the other horses get hay so they are not totally upset.

        Super easy keepers need to be managed to be a bit under weight (ribby) B/S of a 4, before any grass starts to come in. Then they have a bit of a buffer.

        It is hard to not feed them, but it is more important that they not be fat, than to be too thin. Thin does not cause joint problems, foot problems, heart/lung problems, metabolic problems, etc.

        Tough love.
        Tough love!! I'll keep telling myself that.
        She hasn't been ridden since Jan. 31 as we were fighting this eye thing (non healing ulcer) but am ready to start back now. Hopefully riding the mountain trails will help with this but I guess I need to get some of this blubber off of her before we climb the mt.

        Now I worry about ulcers cause I feel that I'm not giving her enough hay!
        You know why cowboys don't like Appaloosas?" - Answer: Because to train a horse, you have to be smarter than it is.

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          #5
          Originally posted by winfieldfarm View Post
          Perhaps it's metabolic. Consider speaking to your get about these options if less calorie intake and more exercise doesn't start to trim her up I one to two months
          Oh, Heavens I hope not!!
          I will do that though.
          Thanks
          You know why cowboys don't like Appaloosas?" - Answer: Because to train a horse, you have to be smarter than it is.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by pj View Post
            Now I worry about ulcers cause I feel that I'm not giving her enough hay!
            I have never had a horse develop ulcers in 35 years of feeding very limited hay to many, many horses.

            I did have one OTTB that came in with ulcers, and at that point they didn't have a treatment. He coliced fairly regularly. The vet said to give him a package of yeast a couple of times a week, and no more colicing.

            This horse was also a fairly easy keeper, and he ate 1 flake of hay during the 10 hours summer time that he was in his stall. Winter overnights, he got about 13-15 lbs of hay which took him about 2-3 hours to eat, then nothing for the next 8+?

            Even so, no more colic or ulcer problems, and he lived to be 28, and died to to a neurologic injury.

            Ulcer "education" has done more to kill horses and cause them arthritic pain from obesity than any thing else.

            Ulcer fears = metabolic problems.

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            • #7
              Could you get her off of all feed? Why the rice bran?

              I've found that most horses do well on grass and hay. I have TBs and I've never had one that needed grain if they have enough grass and free choice hay. (granted, we have large pasture)
              Charlie Brown (1994 bay TB X gelding)
              White Star (2004 grey TB gelding)

              Mystical Moment, 1977-2010.

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                #8
                Fairview, Thanks, I needed that!!

                Come to think of it forty something years ago many of the horses that I knew were fed hay, usually one or two blocks in the morning and two blocks at night and not a thing inbetween. IF any had ulcers we didn't know it.

                That makes me feel better. Thank you.
                You know why cowboys don't like Appaloosas?" - Answer: Because to train a horse, you have to be smarter than it is.

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                • #9
                  For my fatty I cut the grain totally and I find a lower- quality hay. By lower quality I mean its still ok hay to eat but it doesn't offer a ton of calories.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by AliCat518 View Post
                    Could you get her off of all feed? Why the rice bran?

                    I've found that most horses do well on grass and hay. I have TBs and I've never had one that needed grain if they have enough grass and free choice hay. (granted, we have large pasture)
                    She is off feed and hasn't had any actual grain since the first of Jan.
                    I thought when I took her off grain (didn't do it because I thought she was fat, dumb, blind old me) that she needed something besides hay pellets so added the rice bran, 4 oz. daily.

                    The only thing she gets now other than hay is 0.88 oz. of ground flax seed, 1.44 oz of timothy pellets. Not enough to really fool with but it helps her feelings a tad to get something in her bucket.

                    Thinking back on what I've done I think that giving her so much of this Bermuda may be the problem. I really have been putting a LOT of it out there and of course she felt it was her duty to clean it up. That on top of grass coming in.....

                    I really doubt this horse will ever seen grain again.
                    You know why cowboys don't like Appaloosas?" - Answer: Because to train a horse, you have to be smarter than it is.

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                    • #11
                      Have you had her thyroid levels checked? I'd just want to eliminate that before anything....

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                      • #12
                        There was a study several years ago that found most obese horses it was caused by hay, not grain, etc.

                        Feed the amount of hay for weight management, not any thing else.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by WarDance View Post
                          Have you had her thyroid levels checked? I'd just want to eliminate that before anything....
                          I haven't but if I don't see a big difference in a month I'll have that done first thing.
                          Thanks.
                          You know why cowboys don't like Appaloosas?" - Answer: Because to train a horse, you have to be smarter than it is.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by spacytracy View Post
                            For my fatty I cut the grain totally and I find a lower- quality hay. By lower quality I mean its still ok hay to eat but it doesn't offer a ton of calories.
                            That is a good suggestion. This that we have from last summer is pretty rich stuff I believe but haven't had it tested.
                            You know why cowboys don't like Appaloosas?" - Answer: Because to train a horse, you have to be smarter than it is.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Fairview Horse Center View Post
                              There was a study several years ago that found most obese horses it was caused by hay, not grain, etc.

                              Feed the amount of hay for weight management, not any thing else.
                              I can believe that! We are so careful with the amount of grain that we feed but we (me anyhow) have felt perfectly safe to let them have all the hay they want.
                              You know why cowboys don't like Appaloosas?" - Answer: Because to train a horse, you have to be smarter than it is.

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                              • #16
                                Fwiw, it's really hard to tell when a horse has become a fatty. I compare it to myself. Heck, i see myself everyday and didn't notice when I packed on 30 lbs. It's really hard to tell when you see them all the time...
                                Charlie Brown (1994 bay TB X gelding)
                                White Star (2004 grey TB gelding)

                                Mystical Moment, 1977-2010.

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by pj View Post
                                  I haven't but if I don't see a big difference in a month I'll have that done first thing.
                                  Thanks.
                                  That's a good plan. I think it was $45 to have one run this fall.

                                  A boarder's horse is a very easy keeper. She wears a grazing muzzle. It does do wonders.

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                                  • #18
                                    I have a horse who tends to get way to fat a body score of 8. I limit his hay no grain and when he goes out on grass he wears a grazing muzzle. His hay maybe last 2 hours in AM and Pm he has no problems with ulcers that i know of. Right now hes trimmed down to a body score of 4 1/2 thats with being worked 6 days a week. The biggest thing is no grain and limit the hay intake yeah they think their starving but they will live.

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                                    • #19
                                      I agree to cut her hay down and no grain at all. If you worry she needs vitamins feed a ration balancer. The other thing you mentioned is that your hay is rich... Look for less quality hay (not cow hay or anything, just less nutritious) and put it in a slow feed hay net. if it is less rich, you can feed a little more and the slow feed hay net will keep her feom gorging herself. Good luck!

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                                      • #20
                                        Fella PORKED.OUT over the winter at his boarding barn. I was very concerned, but the BO was less concerned. She said he was fat because I wasn't riding him. Turned out he was eating his pasture buddy's weight gainer meal (weight gainer, grain, oil, etc.). Yup; put an air fern on weight gainer and you get http://www.flickr.com/photos/52967336@N00/6407076505/ Mind you he got fatter than that. I had to insist that instead of using grain to sweeten his food to keep him out of the other horses' buckets that he come out to be fed. He's been in training since March and looks loads better. In fact he's making me look bad!

                                        It happens. You caught it. That's good.

                                        Paula
                                        He is total garbage! Quick! Hide him on my trailer (Petstorejunkie).

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