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Beet Pulp: No such thing as molassas free? Update post 13

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  • Beet Pulp: No such thing as molassas free? Update post 13

    Title change from "MannaPro Beet Pulp"

    Can anyone confirm whether or not MannaPro beet pulp pellets have molasses in them? The ingredients on the MannaPro bag reads: "Dried Beet Pulp." Their website is of no use at all.

    I just want to make sure since the Standlee brand states on their website that they do not add molasses to their beet pulp products, but rather the molasses is a result of the drying process at the sugar factory. Yet the ingredients on the bags of Standlee pellets and shreds reads: "Dried Beet Pulp and Molasses."

    Color me a bit confused.

    1. Is molasses a result of the drying process for ALL beet pulp?
    2. If molasses IS a result of the drying process, why would it be called an ingredient?
    3. And if molasses is actually an ingredient why would Standlee claim they don't add it?

    I need plain old beet pulp for an IR horse. NO added molasses.
    Last edited by drmgncolor; Mar. 5, 2012, 06:43 PM.
    Dreaming in Color

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    It seems to me that if they list it as an ingredient it is something that is added.

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      #3
      Originally posted by trubandloki View Post
      It seems to me that if they list it as an ingredient it is something that is added.
      Yep, I agree and that would be why I'm confused. They say they don't add it... it's a product of the drying process, but yet it's listed as one of 2 ingredients. I've found another brand (MannaPro) that doesn't list molasses as an ingredient.

      I just want to know if ALL beet pulp has molasses in it because of a result of the drying process.
      Dreaming in Color

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      • #4
        This is a good read.

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          There would be virtually no natural molasses left in dried BP--not in the interest of the sugar company to leave enough in there to matter. The sugar (sucrose) content of BP is incredibly low. If enough sugar were left in the beet pulp in the factory prior to drying that it created "molasses", then the extraction process would seem to be less than efficient.

          If molasses is on the label, I think it must be added to improve palatability, not naturally occurring.
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            Email Rob at Manna Pro and ask.
            He is a nutritionist and has been great about getting back to me with questions I had.
            robm@mannapro.com
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              #7
              Originally posted by trubandloki View Post
              This is a good read.
              Yes, thank you, I have read that many times.

              Susan states: "many feed manufacturers will add varying amounts of molasses to increase the palatability and reduce pulp dust." She doesn't mention anything about molasses in the drying process and I had also never heard/read that before.

              Thank you Calvin Crow and PJ, I will email him.
              Dreaming in Color

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                #8
                Originally posted by Calvincrowe View Post
                There would be virtually no natural molasses left in dried BP--not in the interest of the sugar company to leave enough in there to matter. The sugar (sucrose) content of BP is incredibly low. If enough sugar were left in the beet pulp in the factory prior to drying that it created "molasses", then the extraction process would seem to be less than efficient.

                If molasses is on the label, I think it must be added to improve palatability, not naturally occurring.
                So then would Standlee be false advertising their beet pulp shreds or do they just get it from a very inefficient source?
                Dreaming in Color

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by drmgncolor View Post
                  So then would Standlee be false advertising their beet pulp shreds?
                  They seem to contradict themselves from one page to the next too.

                  On the pellets page they say this:

                  Pellets are formed from dried sugar beet pulp with a small amount of molasses added during the drying process.
                  Then further down in the same paragraph they say this:

                  Standlee Hay does not add molasses to its beet pulp products; the molasses is a result of the drying process at the sugar factory.
                  It sounds like someone needs to contact them and find out the scoop.


                  Even if there was sugar of any quantity left in them when dried, would it really be called molasses?


                  Edit to add: I sent Standlee an email.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by trubandloki View Post
                    They seem to contradict themselves from one page to the next too.

                    I sent Standlee an email.
                    EXACTLY! You rock. Let me know what they say.
                    Dreaming in Color

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                      I would like to try to ease some of the confusion on this thread. Standlee Hay Company does not add molasses to the beet pulp pellets or shreds. It is put on them at the sugar factory as a drying agent and to keep the pulp from fermenting. This is a common practice in the Sugar industry and is well known. We are required by the Association of Feed Controls to label our packaging per their rules. To quote their guidelines it states, Ever feed label must have a section which lists the name of each ingredient or its collective term, used in the manufacturing of that commercial feed. Molasses is used to manufacture beet pulp into pellets or into shreds. That is why we have to list it. We truck the shreds or pellets in from the sugar factory and bag them directly here at our plant in Eden Idaho. We do not manufacture them, we only bag them. If you read the back of the bag it states they are a product of Amalgamated Sugar Company.

                      It is important to check the guaranteed analysis on the packaging to ensure that you are getting a product low in Sugar if it is claiming to be un-molassed. Our beet pulp pellets have 8% sugar, the shreds have 10%, of this 3% comes from the molasses. If a person is concerned about the sugar content the shreds and pellets can be soaked with additional water and the water can be poured off, the shreds are the easiest to do this with as you can rinse them off without making a mash as you would with the pellets.

                      I would like to point out one other factor about checking guaranteed analysis on feed labels, we have yet to hear about a sugar factor in the United States that does not use the same technique to dry sugar beet pulp by spraying it with molasses. It may be important to find out what Sugar factory the beet pulp comes from and call them directly and ask them how they dry their beet pulp.

                      I hope this helps to clear things up. Anytime there is a question please give us a call. 208-825-5117 ext. Thank you! Sheri @ Standlee Hay Company
                      Last edited by Standlee Hay Company; Mar. 5, 2012, 04:38 PM. Reason: forgot to add something

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                        I would like to try to ease some of the confusion on this thread. Standlee Hay Company does not add molasses to the beet pulp pellets or shreds. It is put on them at the sugar factory as a drying agent and to keep the pulp from fermenting. This is a common practice in the Sugar industry and is well known. We are required by the Association of Feed Controls to label our packaging per their rules. To quote their guidelines it states, Ever feed label must have a section which lists the name of each ingredient or its collective term, used in the manufacturing of that commercial feed. Molasses is used to manufacture beet pulp into pellets or into shreds. That is why we have to list it. We truck the shreds or pellets in from the sugar factory and bag them directly here at our plant in Eden Idaho. We do not manufacture them, we only bag them. If you read the back of the bag it states they are a product of Amalgamated Sugar Company.

                        It is important to check the guaranteed analysis on the packaging to ensure that you are getting a product low in Sugar if it is claiming to be un-molassed. Our beet pulp pellets have 8% sugar, the shreds have 10%, of this 3% comes from the molasses. If a person is concerned about the sugar content the shreds and pellets can be soaked with additional water and the water can be poured off, the shreds are the easiest to do this with as you can rinse them off without making a mash as you would with the pellets.

                        I would like to point out one other factor about checking guaranteed analysis on feed labels, we have yet to hear about a sugar factor in the United States that does not use the same technique to dry sugar beet pulp by spraying it with molasses. It may be important to find out what Sugar factory the beet pulp comes from and call them directly and ask them how they dry their beet pulp.

                        I hope this helps to clear things up. Anytime there is a question please give us a call. 208-825-5117 ext. Thank you! Sheri @ Standlee Hay Company

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                          #13
                          So I spoke with Amalgamated Sugar Company and apparently as far as they know ALL sugar manufacturers add back to beet pulp.

                          What they add back is not necessarily molasses, per say, but rather a "Concentrated Separated Byproduct" that contains about 7% sugar they cannot economically extract... so they add it back to the beet pulp in the drying process.

                          The guy I spoke to said that's a common misconception, what is being added back is not technically molasses, as molasses is over 20% sugar. He also said that even though it's not on the label as an ingredient, there is still some sugar added back, it's just not really molasses so it doesn't have to be listed as such.

                          I also spoke with MannaPro and they buy from several different sugar companies. The rep was very helpful and said she's get me the names of the suppliers so I can contact them as well.

                          Poulin and Blue Seal are not available in my area.
                          Last edited by drmgncolor; Mar. 5, 2012, 05:31 PM.
                          Dreaming in Color

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                            The shreds are the easiest to remove it from. I drilled holes in a bucket and use warm water and keep rinsing it in the wash stall. Shreds soften as soon as they get wet enough, when the water runs clear the shreds are ready to serve.

                            You could also stack the drilled (colander) bucket in another bucket to soak, then rinse until the pulp is lighter in color and the water runs clear.

                            There were a couple of horses I've had to do that in the past for, it didn't add much time.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Seal Harbor View Post
                              The shreds are the easiest to remove it from. I drilled holes in a bucket and use warm water and keep rinsing it in the wash stall. Shreds soften as soon as they get wet enough, when the water runs clear the shreds are ready to serve.

                              You could also stack the drilled (colander) bucket in another bucket to soak, then rinse until the pulp is lighter in color and the water runs clear.

                              There were a couple of horses I've had to do that in the past for, it didn't add much time.
                              Sigh. I board at a large barn, so it needs to be a lot easier than: soak and rinse 3 times before feeding.

                              IR SUCKS.
                              Dreaming in Color

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                              • #16
                                How about speedi-beet? 95% sugar free & soaked in 10 mins max.

                                http://www.emeraldvalleyequine.com/speedi-beet.cfm

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                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by Lieslot View Post
                                  How about speedi-beet? 95% sugar free & soaked in 10 mins max.

                                  http://www.emeraldvalleyequine.com/speedi-beet.cfm
                                  I looked into that. The closest distributor is 4 hours away from me.
                                  Dreaming in Color

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                                    Would they not groundship it to your area? I order the 44lbs bags online and usually gets delivered in about 4 days, I never had a problem.

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                                    • #19
                                      OP I too came to this conclusion about beet pulp last year... it appears all beetpulp (other than speedibeet) has SOME molasses on it from the initial manufacturing process.

                                      In order to remove sugars, I soaked my beetpulp overnight and then rinsed it 3x. I had it tested and had a thread about it here:
                                      http://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/sh...d.php?t=270806

                                      If you can't rinse/soak/rinse easily (you could r/s/r at home and refrigerate the 'clean' product and bring it daily for your horse), and a product like speedibeet is inconvenient for any reason (it was out of my price range iirc), then perhaps consider abandoning beetpulp altogether for something else?

                                      ahh, eta, I see that its now been discovered that while not technically molasses, some product that happens to have sugar of some kind in it is added back to control dust.

                                      Because I hated the rinsing 3x in the winter, and the large volumes of sand and grit I was finding in the rinsing, I abandoned BP entirely in favor of alfalfa cubes/pellets. Not as low NSC as r/s/r/ beetpulp by my boys seem to be able to handle it, and its vastly easier on my wallet and time management.
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                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by Lieslot View Post
                                        Would they not groundship it to your area? I order the 44lbs bags online and usually gets delivered in about 4 days, I never had a problem.
                                        yep, sure they would... for $50/bag to my zip code!
                                        Dreaming in Color

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