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Copper/zinc/manganese only supplement, does it exist?

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  • Copper/zinc/manganese only supplement, does it exist?

    Is there such a thing as a balanced copper/zinc/manganese only supplement? (no added iron, no added selenium)

    Sort of like this irish product : http://www.hvsanimalhealth.com/equine/equi-gold/

    I may be getting bogged down in too much detail micro-managing minerals, but what bothers me, is that most ration balancers have added iron, which hardly any horse is lacking. Additional iron only hampers absorption of cu/zn, both which can be lacking more easily.

    When one then does find a general vit/min supplement containing good levels of copper/zinc without added iron (such as Pre-Ox Horsetech or California trace), those then contain added selenium, something that can be toxic when overdosed and is usually already added to any fortified feed.

    In short I'd love to find a balanced copper/zinc/manganese supplement without iron and without selenium. I browsed a ton of products, seeing cross-eyed by now, but cannot find such a thing.

    Anyone knows of one by chance?


  • #2
    Dynamite's SOD has those 3, plus magnesium and potassium

    An alternative would be Uckele for the Poly Copper, Poly Zinc, and Poly Manganese, bought separately and then combine them
    The CoTH CYA - please consult w/your veterinarian under any and all circumstances. - ET


    • #3
      Look into this product, it has all three. I gave it to my horse to up his zinc and copper, which helped him clear up an acute skin condition.

      Su-Per show coat, in flax base

      edit: Sorry it does have iron and selenium. Not sure what %dv they are though.


      • Original Poster

        An alternative would be Uckele for the Poly Copper, Poly Zinc, and Poly Manganese, bought separately and then combine them
        Thx JB. I had thought about those from uckele, but how do you than figure how much to feed of each so they are in the correct ratios .


        • #5
          Cu:Zn:Mn is generally in the 1:3:3 range or 1:4:4, but having it a little less or more isn't critical, so don't get too caught up in "correct ratios" to a tee
          The CoTH CYA - please consult w/your veterinarian under any and all circumstances. - ET


          • #6
            I don't think you can buy a "balanced" supplement with all three as you are using them to balance what is in your hay and/or feed. Horse Tech also has all three available. Balancing to pasture, I have to add manganese, but with the hay we buy, I don't....


            • #7
              With the Uckele, it tells you how much of the supplement you are getting, (in grams) so you can figure out if your horse needs more or less.

              The poly copper supplement has 310mg. per 1/2 scoop.
              The poly zinc has 670mg. per 1/2 scoop
              The manganese has 500mg. per 1/2 scoop.

              Ideally, you would know how many mg. of the supplement was needed for your horse, so you could adjust. I would buy them all, and mix according to feeding directions. Not too hard...

              They are all $10/pound. So, $30 bucks for 3o pounds of mineral supp? That's pretty good for getting exactly what you want.
              "On the back of a horse I felt whole, complete, connected to that vital place in the center of me...and the chaos within me found balance."


              • #8
                Horsetech will mix a custom supplement for you to your exact specifications, just email or call them with what you need and they can quote you a price first.

                They do it in a flax base too, which I think is nice.


                • Original Poster

                  Thanks, I didn't realize Horsetech offers custom mixes. Something I will look into for sure. For now I'll just get the individual ones from uckele until I've made up my mind what exactly I want in a vit/min supplement (I'm turning the concept into rocketscience ).
                  Thx for the measurements ainsley, gives me a place to start.

                  I agree that unless you have a good feel of what's in your hay, it's a bit hit or miss to properly balance stuff. But as a start I don't want to add what I know for sure they are not missing, if anything already have in overload, being the iron in specific.


                  • #10
                    Uckele does custom mixes as well.