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**UPDATE** The lameness was so simple, I'm an idiot.

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  • **UPDATE** The lameness was so simple, I'm an idiot.

    After 3+ years of struggling with my older horse's on/off lameness issues, I recently bought a new one off the track. He has been great for the last 2 months, but this morning I got a text from the BO saying he was off LF and LH.

    She thinks it an abscess... in both feet? That doesn't make sense to me. I have been away for a week on a trip and haven't seen him yet.

    What could make him sore LF and LH?
    Last edited by WW_Queen; Mar. 13, 2012, 01:13 PM.
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    I think we'd need more information to give any kind of opinion. Heck, you probably need more info than you have. Two feet with abcesses isn't the strangest thing I've heard of. Is he still shod all around, or is he transitioning to barefoot in 2-4 hooves? That might have him a little more abcess prone. But it's all theoretical maybes without info.

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      Went to the barn, he was certainly puffy LH but I also searched around and found 3 small cuts (two little corked spots and one small slice on the back of his pastern).

      Not sure what to make of the front, the BO swears he has heat near the coronet band and that he's going to pop an abscess but I couldn't feel a thing (they've called me over the years and said ABSCESS! but were wrong lol).

      I watched him trot around and while he's slightly uncomfortable he's certainly not lame. I'm wondering if he picked up a bit of bacteria in his LH which is why it's puffy.

      I will try talk to my vet re: antibiotics and hopefully that will take care of his LH and possibly whatever may "possibly" be brewing in the front.
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        Originally posted by WW_Queen View Post
        Went to the barn, he was certainly puffy LH but I also searched around and found 3 small cuts (two little corked spots and one small slice on the back of his pastern).

        Not sure what to make of the front, the BO swears he has heat near the coronet band and that he's going to pop an abscess but I couldn't feel a thing (they've called me over the years and said ABSCESS! but were wrong lol).

        I watched him trot around and while he's slightly uncomfortable he's certainly not lame. I'm wondering if he picked up a bit of bacteria in his LH which is why it's puffy.

        I will try talk to my vet re: antibiotics and hopefully that will take care of his LH and possibly whatever may "possibly" be brewing in the front.
        i agree calling the vet is the best idea its hard to say because some horses are tough and some horses are big babies... my horse gets little nicks and cuts sometimes and he acts like he's lost a limb lol.
        Sometimes too if there is an injury it can present in other areas because the horse is compensating to protect what is injured so maybe his front leg is fine he was just compensating because the back one was ouchy. Just a thought but i would see what the vet has to say for sure.

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          I have skills that I would say are probably very average in the "detecting where the lameness is coming from" category, but am completely boggled at the idea of being able to pick up lameness in two legs on the same side at the same time!

          I'm sure it's easy for experts, but wow, I'd be lost at sea.

          My personal response to mild lameness (besides the psychological plunge into acute depression) is to sort of check the horse over as you've done and give it a few days to settle before calling the vet. Good luck!
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            I'd call the vet and talk with them over the phone for sure. I'm not sure what a vet could do for mild lameness anyways. If you've changed feed, hay, farriers, workouts, turnouts, etc. might help explain it but with the scratches, maybe a kicking fight or slip in the field? The horse could have pulled a muscle or strained it's hip...time will tell if you need a vet or chiropractor or farrier out...Good luck.

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              I have been keeping an eye on the suspected abscess foot, and still cannot detect any heat or tenderness. Farrier is coming this week to poke around with hoof testers to see if he can find any sore spots.

              The LH, after scrubbing the wounds with betadine and putting on blue spray, look fine. Three days of wrapping with BOT wraps + Sore No More have the ankle cool and tight.

              I put him out in the arena and the BO/BM watched, swearing up and down he was three-legged last week (as he alternated between galloping/bucking and "La dee dah" trotting, bouncy as can be).
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                Originally posted by deltawave View Post
                I have skills that I would say are probably very average in the "detecting where the lameness is coming from" category, but am completely boggled at the idea of being able to pick up lameness in two legs on the same side at the same time!
                I would say I have above average skills in this department and my very first thought was that I would love to see a video of a horse that is lame on both legs on one side. Because I feel like I would have the same boggled feeling. I guess it if was noticeable in both legs at the walk then maybe. I still want a video!

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                • #9
                  My horse did something very similar a few weeks ago. Got to the barn in the morning and he was 3 legged lame coming out of his stall, but only on the right side. So bad the when I went to pick his feet, I picked up the LF and the RF gave out and he fell. Called vet ASAP. He was very sore down the whole right side of his body and some heat in his legs.

                  Vet came to the conclusion that he most likely cast himself in his stall and managed to just train something down his back/hindquarters. He slowly got better just did some walking for a few days and stretching but he is perfectly fine now.

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                  • #10
                    The first thing I thought of was muscle soreness from being cast.....but the BO probably would have seen evidence of him being cast I would think....
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                    • #11
                      So for those of you having trouble/can't wrap your mind around lameness on the same side, here is the best explanation for ya

                      So horsey is lame in left hind. Left hind hurts, when I trot, so because I move in opposite pairs at the trot (left hind and right front land together and vice-versa), I'm going to land harder on right front to take some weight of left hind. Make sense?

                      Continuing on, most people see front end lameness by head bobbing with the adage "down on sound" so because the horse is transferring weight from the left hind and landing harder on right front (down on sound), he "looks" lame in the left front. So there ya go, lame in LH and LF.

                      So the OP's horse may have looked "lame" in LF and LH as a result of really being lame only in the hind. Obviously we can't make that determination on the BB, but if horsey is no longer lame in either leg, I would bet this is what BO saw.

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                        **UPDATE**

                        So he's still off. It's been almost a month now. The largest/most advanced sporthorse vet in our area has been out 3 times now and can't figure it out.

                        Xrays of the legs came up clean, ultrasounds came up clean, there is no detectable heat in the foot and he was negative on the hoof testers. They think there could/possibly/maybe be some "ouch" near the coronet band, but he's a flinchy chestnut so they were reluctant to say for sure.

                        I asked them if they would do a few blocks but they said in order to be accurate they would have to systematically block the whole leg (?) to rule things out and then do more xrays/ultrasounds of the various areas.

                        I am thinking about having another vet come out just to block the foot (and for a second opinion I suppose).

                        He looks/feels good everywhere else, he's just a 1/5 on the LF.

                        His old owners have been coming by every 2-3 weeks to check on him, and are convinced its just an abscess as well.

                        I guess the fact he's negative on the hoof testers weirds me out, and the vet scared the living sh!t out of me with their bone chip/tendon damage theories (thankfully which were all negative).

                        I have been soaking w/ epsom salts, wrapping with an epsom salt paste, panty liner and a heating patch on top, secure with vet wrap and covered with a hoof boot to keep it on.

                        Should I try another paste (like sugardine, epsom salt + bran, other products)? I am not getting any results so far.
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                        • #13
                          [QUOTE=WW_Queen;6178091I guess the fact he's negative on the hoof testers weirds me out,([/QUOTE]

                          My horse had an abcess last summer that didn't react to hoof testers. And yes, I'm sure it was an abcess because as the hoof grew out we found the exit at the coronet band. It is now an ugly, gaping hole in the hoof wall.

                          My mother has had two horses who chronically abcess. One always reacts to hoof testers. One never did.

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                            Originally posted by SmartAlex View Post
                            My horse had an abcess last summer that didn't react to hoof testers. And yes, I'm sure it was an abcess.
                            Really? Okay that makes me feel a bit better. I really wish I had been there when he first came up sore so I could have palpated his foot myself to look for hot spots...

                            So I have this week to get it to pop, otherwise the vet is coming back again for more diagnostics (I'm already up to $600ish so far, sigh).

                            Is there anything I should be doing differently in my wrapping/soaking routine?
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                              • #16
                                What about something up higher.....shoulder?

                                I had a horse with chronic abscesses. What finally worked for me was a CleanTrax soak - his abscesses never fully drained or popped so it was a constant problem until the Clean Trax.
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                                • #17
                                  Sending jingles for a solution and quick healing for you!

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                                    Originally posted by RodeoHunter View Post
                                    What about something up higher.....shoulder?
                                    That's why the vet wanted to block *everything*... to rule out all possibilities. It would be great if he just had a stiff shoulder and needed some acupuncture or something. I'm getting a little afraid of how my vet bills will jump if I don't find an abscess.

                                    Today is actually my birthday... what I'd really like as a present is a nice, pus-filled pantyliner when I go up to look at his foot.
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                                    • #19
                                      It's the little things in life....

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                                        "It's my birthday today. What I'd really like as a present is a nice, pus-filled panty liner." Hhhmmmm, sounds a little...odd...out of context.

                                        I do hope you find the problem (and the pus-filled panty liner) soon, OP. Jingles for Horsie and HAPPY BIRTHDAY to you!
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