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  • #61


    Seriously now, this thread just makes my skin crawl. And crawl.

    I am going to tell my doctor I NEED to be dewormed. How can we not have them?!!!!! We are overexposed and underdewormed!!!!!

    And I am grateful too, to Chocomare, for joining me in the "Not Afraid To Double Dose Dewormer" clique. Disclaimer: Not Quest.

    Give her a big hellyeah!
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    • #62
      Ugh...lost what I was typing. Here I go again;
      interesting thread! I have posted on and off about Tucker, my draftx and his allergies. Last fall he developed a sore on his ankle (he is allergic to grass and gets small sores which heal after a few days). It would not heal and kept getting bigger. Almost healed over winter then came back with a vengence once it got hot again. Sore was almost 3 inches across and looked like he had a tennis ball under the skin from the swelling. My vet thought it was a habronema, but a biopsy last fall didn't indicate such. A biopsy done in June was sent to the lab that we use at the vet dermatology center where I work and that indicated habronema. It was amazing how quickly it responded to DMSO/ivermectin/furaointment. Was also dosing with ivermectin weekly. It healed nearly 90% and then stopped. Now, within the last week, it is getting worse again..the sore is now moist and enlarging and the swelling is back.
      He also has the sweet itch tail and the lumps on the midline. So maybe I need to double dose the Equimax.
      Am too tired to read all the articles, will do that at work tomorrow
      Lori T
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      • #63
        Originally posted by Huntertwo View Post
        The detailed ocular findings in 200 moderately to heavily infected Liberians who were enrolled in a safety and dose-finding study are presented.
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        Do you have any idea HOW LONG I stared at this statement and wondered why Librarians were so heavily infected.....OMG...what a dope!
        Eww - Librarians have cooties!!!!!

        Seriously though - I'd been doing some light reading (har har) and read the abstracts of some studies on diseases in the US that are starting to really become a problem. Like Lyme, CWD, etc. Anyway... this particular cootie is evidently a problem as well. I can usually only read the abstract because as you can see in those links, you usually need the magic decoder ring to read the whole thing.

        I'm only middle aged but I remember being taught as a kid that fistulous withers were caused by bad horsemanship (not paying attention to saddle fit). And all along they just needed Ivermectin, poor things.
        Brothers and sisters, I bid you beware
        Of giving your heart to a dog to tear.
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        • #64
          EqTrainer, I would also be interested in seeing your worming schedule.
          Thanks!
          Lori T
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          • #65
            Originally posted by EqTrainer View Post


            Seriously now, this thread just makes my skin crawl. And crawl.

            I am going to tell my doctor I NEED to be dewormed. How can we not have them?!!!!! We are overexposed and underdewormed!!!!!

            And I am grateful too, to Chocomare, for joining me in the "Not Afraid To Double Dose Dewormer" clique. Disclaimer: Not Quest.

            Give her a big hellyeah!
            This is exactly why I love this board. I could never learn this in all my readings of different magazines and books.

            After telling my hubby of all my findings, he INSISTS I have worms...

            Could we??? After scratching my poor mare's itchy spots, COULD I get those microfiliea (sp) things under my nails and then they could burrow to different areas?

            Has anyone ever watched "Animal Planet" program "Eatin Alive"??? Freaked me out....
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            • #66
              Seriously... how could we not?

              My working student SWEARS she has some sort of skin thing going on that she got from one of her horses.. her doctor will not take it seriously... eeeeekkkkk
              "Kindness is free" ~ Eurofoal
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              • #67
                Originally posted by Huntertwo View Post
                Has anyone ever watched "Animal Planet" program "Eatin Alive"??? Freaked me out....
                I LOVED that program. Mr. JSwan got the heebie jeebies and left the room.

                Yes, I think there have been human cases of this problem in the US. And yes, I feel itchy just thinking about it!
                Brothers and sisters, I bid you beware
                Of giving your heart to a dog to tear.
                -Rudyard Kipling

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                • #68
                  Hey guys. Pop back into that HorseCity.com thread and see the NEW before/after pictures. Shazam!

                  http://forums.horsecity.com/index.ph...&#entry3094394
                  <>< Sorrow Looks Back. Worry Looks Around. Faith Looks Up! -- Being negative only makes a difficult journey more difficult. You may be given a cactus, but you don't have to sit on it.

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                  • #69
                    WOW. WOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOW.

                    Makes me wish I'd taken a picture of The Free Horse's belly. Not as bad as that poor horse, of course. I did the same thing with The Baby Horse (who is about the size of an elephant but I digress). He is also a lot better - he'd had a lot of problems with his tail - similar to the horse in the photo. Looked the same. Occasionally I'd find a tick and think - well - that was it. Because I know ticks can cause irritation and infection.

                    I think any horse owner, particularly in the South, may want to read up on this and talk it over with their vet. I like to think I'm a reasonably well informed horse owner... but this was a lesson to me.

                    ChocoMare gets a gold star and a special smiley face sticker from (insert Deity of choice)!
                    Brothers and sisters, I bid you beware
                    Of giving your heart to a dog to tear.
                    -Rudyard Kipling

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by J Swan View Post
                      I think any horse owner, particularly in the South, may want to read up on this and talk it over with their vet. I like to think I'm a reasonably well informed horse owner... but this was a lesson to me.
                      Alas, I know of only ONE vet that I have ever dared make mention of NTWs that actually said "Oh yes. They're more prevalent than anyone wants to admit...especially my colleagues."

                      All the others said "Oh, no such thing. It's an allergy to the saliva in the flies/midges/gnats, etc."

                      Suuuuuuuure it is.
                      <>< Sorrow Looks Back. Worry Looks Around. Faith Looks Up! -- Being negative only makes a difficult journey more difficult. You may be given a cactus, but you don't have to sit on it.

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                      • #71
                        Holy smokes!! This is unbelievable! I have been going crazy over this issue.

                        I have had a new horse for about 5 months... gone through 3 saddles because of bumps on his withers... spent a gazillion dollars on antihistamines, steroids, supplements and coat sprays trying to control the rubbing and hairless raw skin. I think I have it under control... and it then comes back.

                        I am going to the feed store today! If this works I am sending you ladies gifts!

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by ChocoMare View Post
                          Hey guys. Pop back into that HorseCity.com thread and see the NEW before/after pictures. Shazam!

                          http://forums.horsecity.com/index.ph...&#entry3094394
                          Ouch, that poor horse.. Glad to see that the Ivermectin is working on him.
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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by ChocoMare View Post
                            Alas, I know of only ONE vet that I have ever dared make mention of NTWs that actually said "Oh yes. They're more prevalent than anyone wants to admit...especially my colleagues."

                            All the others said "Oh, no such thing. It's an allergy to the saliva in the flies/midges/gnats, etc."

                            Suuuuuuuure it is.
                            Well, I kinda understand because that's what we've all been told. Like what I mentioned about fistulous withers - we were taught that it's caused by blanket fit, saddle fit, dirty tack/pads, basically bad horsemanship. So we'd scrub and pad and fit and worry and people would think we're horrible because our horse had sores. When I dosed The Free Horse (remember he was sort of a hard luck case and needed.... rehab let's call it) I dosed the other two - and they didn't really have problems per se - they were just itchy and raw in some places. And of course, with two mild winters we could even have a bug/tick problem in January. So when their titers came back so high for Lyme...... I was not overly surprised.

                            Having said that, I'm sure that horses can develop allergies to midges/flies, etc. I've got scars on my arms from bug bites - even a mosquito bite or chigger bite drives me mad with itching.

                            Oh my GOD - DO I NEED IVERMECTIN TOO????????? Oh gross I am officially creeped out. Really.
                            Brothers and sisters, I bid you beware
                            Of giving your heart to a dog to tear.
                            -Rudyard Kipling

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by Altamont Sport Horses View Post
                              Can you do the double dose of Equimax with yearlings as well? Is it safe for them?

                              I have one mare that I now think has this problem and two yearlings which were pastured with her. The yearling colt has had oozy spots in his mane (not terrible but I couldn't figure out why) and is rubbing his eyes and the other yearling filly is getting a line of oozy stuff along her belly. I always wondered why my mare was the only one being eaten alive on her belly and now I guess I know why. To think how much money I was spending on Swat and extra fly spray.

                              I understand that it usually shows up as 2 year olds but since these are the only horses with oozy bellies on this entire farm I have to wonder if it is Onchocerca and it is just showing early in these two yearlings.

                              Ick.
                              I don't think anyone answered my question regarding dosing yearlings. Chocomare????

                              Also, has anyone tried the double dose of Ivermectin and then following up with a double dose of Equimax. I guess I am a bit concerned about killing so many off that my horse will get sick. Her belly looks every bit as bad as the one in the photos on the other thread although it is more concentrated in the front. I feel horrible that I didn't know. I guess it's possible that it isn't NTW but considering I have been using everything possible to keep bugs off of her and she continues to have this problem despite that I really don't see a lot of bugs bothering her I can't help but think it really is NTW. Poor girl.
                              Altamont Sport Horses
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                              • #75
                                I routinely double deworm horses with ivermectin and then equimax. Yes, you will kill a whole bunch of worms... that's the point It sounds like you really ought to do it!
                                "Kindness is free" ~ Eurofoal
                                ---
                                The CoTH CYA - please consult w/your veterinarian under any and all circumstances.

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                                • #76
                                  ET,

                                  Double dose worm ivermectin and then wait XX days and double dose Equimax? How many days in between?

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                                  • #77
                                    Originally posted by Altamont Sport Horses View Post
                                    I don't think anyone answered my question regarding dosing yearlings. Chocomare????

                                    Darlin'...that I really can't answer with any amount of certainty in that I don't have experience with babies. I'd probably be more comfortable saying double dose with ivermectin only, though.


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                                    Originally posted by 3Spots View Post
                                    ET,

                                    Double dose worm ivermectin and then wait XX days and double dose Equimax? How many days in between?
                                    Two weeks / 14 Days
                                    <>< Sorrow Looks Back. Worry Looks Around. Faith Looks Up! -- Being negative only makes a difficult journey more difficult. You may be given a cactus, but you don't have to sit on it.

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                                    • #78
                                      Originally posted by 3Spots View Post
                                      ET,

                                      Double dose worm ivermectin and then wait XX days and double dose Equimax? How many days in between?
                                      Yes - 14 days in between
                                      "Kindness is free" ~ Eurofoal
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                                      • #79
                                        I am not sure about the babies either. I guess we are all hoping that if we deworm them properly as wee ones, that they would not be susceptible to these things. If your babies are showing symptoms then I'd do the double Ivermectin (I have doubled yearlings before BY WEIGHT) and see if you get a good result. If not, then I'd have to consider the Equimax.

                                        FWIW, I live in the Southeast and knock on wood, my horses really never have skin issues. The only one on my farm right now whose got any sort of grunge came about 4 months ago and was living on Equine Senior and had never seen a Powerpack. It will take a little time to get him straightened out
                                        "Kindness is free" ~ Eurofoal
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                                        • #80
                                          Eeeeeeee... I just replied to a bunch of PM's about deworming and now I've got the bad heebie jeebies...

                                          must deworm myself soon!
                                          "Kindness is free" ~ Eurofoal
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