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    Banamine question..

    I browsed the other threads on Banamine, but never really found an answer for my question, so here goes!

    I read another post that someone was able to purchase two syringes from their vet as an addition/update to their first aid kit, versus purchasing the entire bottle which would go bad before they used it all.

    I am in the same boat! I want to have two or three syringes in my first aid kit, but really don't want to buy the entire bottle or get the paste. Something about giving a colicky horse a thick paste just doesn't seem...right. I know lots of people use them and love them, but...I'm weird. I apologize.

    So what "size" syringe, or how many CC's, of banamine would be considered adequate for a first-aid kit?
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    10 cc (500mg) is the standard dose for an average sized horse. But unless you are comfortable giving IV injections you should dose it orally. And If you think the paste is yucky try dosing the injectable orally!
    Originally posted by EquineImagined
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      #3
      Since most of its action when given orally is trans-mucosal absorption, (which it took me forever to figure out) I'd think the paste would be preferable as there's less chance of having it wasted or swallowed.

      What "doesn't seem right" is often . . . just fine.
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        #4
        I would keep 5cc or 10cc syringes for IV use. If you aren't comfortable with IV, get the oral paste. It is really fine.

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          #5
          I have always been taught by my vets that banamine loses its efficacy when stored in a plastic syringe. Get the paste or a small bottle.
          "You can't really debate with someone who has a prescient invisible friend"
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            #6
            The injectable banamine tastes really nasty (according to my horse) when given orally, so the paste is actually a better option most of the time. The injectable-given-orally is a whole lot cheaper, however, if you have need of it repeatedly and have a good way of getting it into them. My old man with lymphangitis gives me the dirtiest looks when I syringe banamine and sulfa and applesauce into his mouth, but it works.

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              #7
              Banamine is cheap. The bottle that I get is 250 cc's and costs about 49 dollars. I just give it in the mouth. Quick and nasty, but works.
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                #8
                Just to clarify, you can give liquid injectable banamine orally?

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Rodeio View Post
                  Just to clarify, you can give liquid injectable banamine orally?
                  Yes, you can
                  "You can't really debate with someone who has a prescient invisible friend"
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                    #10
                    Absolutely. I learned this from the Vets at Univ. Of Florida. Same dose....if they are 1000 lbs I would give 10 cc's.

                    No way to give it and make it taste better, but it works, just slower than IV. Can't give it IM. Only time I gave it IM, knowing better, was when my sweet mare was going to be put to sleep in the am and it did not matter.
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                      #11
                      Really just get the paste. It takes about 5 minutes longer to work then IV. Whatever you do, don't do IM!!!

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                        #12
                        10cc inj kept in the syringe is good for 6 months. I give it orally, and prefer it to the paste. I syringe it between the molars and the inside cheek
                        I keep it marked with the date it was drawn, and buy a new one from my vet at my horse's biannual exam.
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                          Originally posted by Petstorejunkie View Post
                          10cc inj kept in the syringe is good for 6 months. I give it orally, and prefer it to the paste. I syringe it between the molars and the inside cheek
                          I keep it marked with the date it was drawn, and buy a new one from my vet at my horse's biannual exam.
                          I love this idea!!

                          My guy is a pro at spitting out ever last drop of paste, no matter how far back I shove whatever tube is giving him the lovely stuff. I just feel giving a small syringe of a liquid would be effective than a tube of paste that 90% ends up on me or the ground.

                          *Knock on wood* I've not had to use it on him, ever, so getting a $50 bottle (not cheap to me) that I probably won't even use, just to have it expire, doesn't sound appealing. I would rather get two small syringes that last 6 months.

                          I appreciate all the input. I can always count on y'all to know your stuff!
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                            #14
                            Find out how much your vet is going to charge you for those two "little" syringes. It's probably more than you think. A tube of paste might be cheaper and definitely more palatable! It should also have a shelf life of longer than six months.
                            Originally posted by EquineImagined
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                              #15
                              A tube of Banamine paste is 3 doses at 10cc, and costs about $30 around here. It gets stored at room temperature.

                              If you get the injectable, it needs to be refrigeratered, which may make it unsuitable for your first aid kit. My experience with boarding barns is it tends to disapear from the barn fridge Injectable is okay to give IM.

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                                Originally posted by Cathy D View Post
                                A tube of Banamine paste is 3 doses at 10cc, and costs about $30 around here. It gets stored at room temperature.

                                If you get the injectable, it needs to be refrigeratered, which may make it unsuitable for your first aid kit. My experience with boarding barns is it tends to disapear from the barn fridge Injectable is okay to give IM.
                                Injectable Banamine does not need to be refrigerated. And please please please DO NOT give injectable Banamine IM!
                                Originally posted by EquineImagined
                                My subconscious is a wretched insufferable beotch.

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                                  #17
                                  I've been told (by a vet) that giving injectable banamine orally can give horses oral ulcers. I've never done it, so I can't say for sure.

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                                    #18
                                    I can tell you that previous threads on this subject greatly helped me when my older horse had a very violent episode for 40 minutes while we waited for the vet to come euthanize him. If it werent for reading on here about administering banamine orally, he would have suffered even more than he did; as there was no way I was getting near him with a needle. I shot 10 ccs in his mouth and he was able to lay down quietly, it worked rather fast too, even though in the moment it felt like an eternity.

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                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by Herbie19 View Post
                                      Injectable Banamine does not need to be refrigerated. And please please please DO NOT give injectable Banamine IM!
                                      Herbie, what is your reasoning behind this? I always do I.V., but have never heard NOT to use it IM - in fact my vet uses it IM if he wants a longer effect (but slower to start) as opposed to I.V. with almost instantaneous effect

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                                        #20
                                        The conventional wisdom behind not using Banamine IM is the reported risk of clostridial myonecrosis (or gas gangrene, if you like). This is supported by one very old (IIRC) reference that is distributed as evidence, and anecdotes certainly abound. Whether this precaution is a general one, and applicable to all or any IM injections moreso than banamine is not clear to me. Certainly the horror stories are numerous.

                                        For the record, I have done it, once, with no ill effects, on the recommendation of my vet. If I had to do it again and there were no other reasonable option, I would do so without hesitation. But since I'm OK with IV shots and now have been edumacated on the utility of orally-dosed banamine, I probably would be able to avoid it.

                                        From an article in The Horse: (emphasis mine)

                                        Why Not Inject?
                                        IM injections in horses are fairly easy to administer, and many horse owners find this route convenient, especially when a veterinarian is not available to give an intravenous shot. Vaccines, hyaluronic acid products, some antibiotics, sedatives, vitamins, antihistamines, and some anti-inflammatory drugs are labeled for IM use in the horse.
                                        Product labeling is not a guarantee of safety, however, and it is important to remember that any invasive procedure carries with it some degree of risk.
                                        Specific to IM injections is the risk of a disease known as clostridial myonecrosis (also known as "gas gangrene"). This is an uncommon condition that can be associated with any penetrating soft tissue injury in the horse, including a needle puncture. When it occurs as a complication of an IM injection, it is usually associated with the injection of a relatively large volume (greater than 5 mL) of an irritating substance.
                                        Injectable ivermectin, antihistamines, and flunixin meglumine (Banamine) are the drugs most commonly associated with the disease (1,2,3). In the case of flunixin, this risk is probably associated with its very high frequency of use, rather than the product itself. Although flunixin is only available through a veterinarian, many barns have bottles sitting on the shelves, sometimes for long periods of time. Owners and trainers, either while awaiting the veterinarian or as a first line of treatment, often give horses with fever or mild signs of discomfort IM flunixin meglumine. Although this practice is very common and usually uneventful, the potential consequences can be devastating.
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