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  • New barn, harder footing, Ouchy feet..

    A little help please. My guy has been barefoot for 3 years. But this new barn has rather stony and hard footing. And he is ouchy. Especially after he was just trimmed a few days ago.
    He was always on sand and very soft arenas.
    Now hes fine on grass, but boy he was like a woman at the beach the first day of summer today.
    Do I have to resort to front shoes?? His feet have imprved so much since being barefoot. Hes not competing anymore, so I like him shoeless.
    Question is, do any of those hoof toughners work??

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    Originally posted by Sannois View Post
    A little help please. My guy has been barefoot for 3 years. But this new barn has rather stony and hard footing. And he is ouchy. Especially after he was just trimmed a few days ago.
    He was always on sand and very soft arenas.
    Now hes fine on grass, but boy he was like a woman at the beach the first day of summer today.
    Do I have to resort to front shoes?? His feet have imprved so much since being barefoot. Hes not competing anymore, so I like him shoeless.
    Question is, do any of those hoof toughners work??
    Minimally,
    Get the horse shod. All around would be even better yet.
    George

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    • #3
      How long have you had him at the new place? If its not long then you might want to give it a week or so and see if he's improved at all. Otherwise I'd suggest you get him shod though personally speaking I wouldn't just do the front feet.

      The hardeners can help to an extent if the ground is very dry as they tend to dry the soles out. However this time of year I wouldn't have thought it was that.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by JHUshoer20 View Post
        Minimally,
        Get the horse shod. All around would be even better yet.
        George
        Yes all horses should be shod at birth.

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        • #5
          Durasole works great for this sort of thing. I would certainly give that a try.

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          • #6
            I had a TB come to board at my place.....he came from hogfuel to my sand/gravel paddock.......he was ouchy for about 3 weeks and was fine after that ........their feet just need time to adjust to the new footing.

            Dalemma

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            • #7
              Consider a pair of hoof boots when you work him. They are a valid alternative to shoes in some situations.

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                Do I detect a note

                Originally posted by JHUshoer20 View Post
                Minimally,
                Get the horse shod. All around would be even better yet.
                George
                of Sarcasm??
                I am not privy to the Shoeing threads, though I have heard tell of them!
                He has been there for a few months.
                He was fine until farrier trimmed him day before yesterday, now hes ouchy on the stoney gravel.
                I never found the Venice Turpentine to do much good.

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                • #9
                  i agree with shoes.

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                    Wow

                    Originally posted by Nezzy View Post
                    i agree with shoes.
                    So many so quick to resort to shoes.
                    IS there a reason behind your thinking?
                    Like I said he has been barefoot for 3 years, and it wasnt until coming here that he seems to not handle the rocky ground well.
                    Did I mention that he is retired?? and that we mainly trailride a few times a week?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Sannois View Post
                      So many so quick to resort to shoes.
                      There's only 2 suggested that you quickly go to shoes. Meaning more respondents didn't.
                      Like I said he has been barefoot for 3 years, and it wasnt until coming here that he seems to not handle the rocky ground well.
                      Didn't you say though that there wasn't rocky ground where he was before? That there the terrain was grass. If so its clear that when he's on an easy surface that its easy for him but if he's on little sharp stones it hurts like heck.

                      I guess you could move him back if you want him to remain barefoot.

                      Did I mention that he is retired??
                      No but you said he was struggling on the terrain. If its an elderly horse, IMO its more important to prevent him limping about sooner rather than later because you don't want him putting unequal or compensatory strain on older limbs and muscular skeletal structure and running the risk of secondary joint disease.

                      and that we mainly trailride a few times a week?
                      But that isn't retired! Is he sound when you're riding him out?

                      How long has he been at the new place?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Sannois View Post
                        So many so quick to resort to shoes.
                        IS there a reason behind your thinking?
                        Perhaps because many years of experience tells us it's in the best interests of the horse.
                        Like I said he has been barefoot for 3 years, and it wasnt until coming here that he seems to not handle the rocky ground well.
                        Excellent, you've identified the cause. Bet if you took him back where he came from his ouchiness would disappear
                        Did I mention that he is retired?? and that we mainly trailride a few times a week?
                        Yes you did, however trail riding a few times a week is not retired. Is probably much harder on the feet than any manicured riding ring.

                        Get the horse a set of shoes. He'll thank you for it
                        George

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                        • #13
                          My suggestion would be to give him some time on the new, harder footing, and make sure he is actually moving on it and not standing still. His feet need to adjust to the change in footing, some horses it takes longer than others.

                          If he's been barefoot for a while and you don't want to go immediately to shoes, then don't. You said that he was fine before he got trimmed. To me, this would indicate that perhaps the farrier did a bit too much this time. Was this his first trim since going to this new place?
                          I would give him a bit more time to get used to the footing, and see if he improves as he grows more hoof back as well. If he is still a bit ouchy, it might be worth looking into boots for him. The cost of a pair of boots is the equivalent of two shoeing bills in my area, but the boots can last much longer. You can find a slightly used pair for a reduced price, and if you find that they don't work, chances are you'll be able to sell them again.

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                          • #14
                            Sannois,

                            If he is semi retired and only in light work...and probably only going to be sore for a few days after his trim, boots really can be a nice economical alternative to shoes. When you don't need them, don't use them. Unlike shoes you can take them off and they will last a long time for light use.

                            Also, you might mention to your farrier/trimmer that he was a bit sore following this trim and perhaps he/she can be a bit more conservative with the trim next time. That is the sort of information your hoof care practitioner should know so they can adjust what they are doing if needed.

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                            • #15
                              I generally keep my horses shod, but I have pulled shoes for the winter or extended rehab etc and they often are footsore for a while while they adjust. I would think moving from sandy footing to hard footing is similar.
                              If you like having him barefoot, I would give it a little time and see if he adjusts, maybe with the help of something to toughen up his soles. Plain iodine can help.
                              If he can't adjust, then yep, you are going to have to shoe him or move back to a place with soft footing. It's not fair to have him mincing around on sore feet just to keep him barefoot.
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                              • #16
                                I'm a BIG fan of Durasole. Used it with an admittedly VERY skeptical opinion of it (honestly, what topical is really gonna help THAT much?), and holy cow.. it DOES work. Maresie went from tip-toeing and ooching and ouching over gravel, to being able to walk across it without much problem at all. Now if I want to RIDE on the gravel, I throw on a pair of hoof boots. It's been a good solution for me, but of course won't work for everyone.
                                Tell a Gelding. Ask a Stallion. Discuss it with a Mare... Pray if it's a Pony!

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                                • #17
                                  You can give Keratex a try, it's the best stuff out there in my opinion. However, if you've been at this place for a few months, that's plenty of time for him to have adjusted. Your farrier may have taken a bit too much off this time, mention it to him/her the next time they come out. I wouldn't want my oldster to be sore for too much longer, you may create some compensatory problems. Also, riding out on ungroomed trails can be even harder for them than riding in groomed arenas.

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                                  • #18
                                    Hey Thomas!

                                    It's been almost 5 hours I think this might be a record!
                                    George

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                                    • #19
                                      I'd wait a week or so, see if he toughens up a little. Maybe the trim was a little close, especially if he's been there a while and only seems sore just recently.

                                      I've used Venice Turpentine with so-so results. Formalin, if you can get it, is a pretty good "deadener" of the sole, but nothing I'd want to use more than very occasionally.

                                      I'd personally get a pair of Boa boots for riding, leave him barefoot the rest of the time if you can. I've got nothing at all against shoes, but for a mostly-retired horse I'd simply avoid the rocks, go with some boots, or give him a week off after trimming and see if that helps.
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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by deltawave View Post
                                        I'd wait a week or so, see if he toughens up a little. Maybe the trim was a little close, especially if he's been there a while and only seems sore just recently.

                                        I've used Venice Turpentine with so-so results. Formalin, if you can get it, is a pretty good "deadener" of the sole, but nothing I'd want to use more than very occasionally.

                                        I'd personally get a pair of Boa boots for riding, leave him barefoot the rest of the time if you can. I've got nothing at all against shoes, but for a mostly-retired horse I'd simply avoid the rocks, go with some boots, or give him a week off after trimming and see if that helps.
                                        Why do you suggest the Boas, specifically? I'm curious!
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