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Is Crimson Clover bad for horses? Ummmm I mean Smartweed. LOL

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  • Is Crimson Clover bad for horses? Ummmm I mean Smartweed. LOL

    I just noticed it all over one horse area on my farm-looked it up in a poisonous plant book and it looks like Crimson Clover.

    The book says it causes impaction colic.

    Of course it may not even be that-I am not exactly the plant lady.

    Edited: It is Smartweed, Water Pepper per JSwan's post #26!

    Thanks JSwan.
    Last edited by LMH; Sep. 18, 2011, 06:10 PM.

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    As far as I know crimson clover is not toxic, and is commonly used in pasture and hay mixes as well as in cattle silage, more in Europe but becoming more common as a cover crop in the US. Like other legumes, its high in protein.

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    • #3
      Define "toxic"

      If all it does is make the horse slobber, then no, it's not "toxic", as in, won't kill the horse unless he dehydrates to death.
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      • #4
        Oh lord, not again....
        Caitlin
        *OMGiH I Loff my Mare* and *My Saddlebred Can Do Anything Your Horse Can Do*
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        • #5
          Im not sure. but, I know its kind of a cool song

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sM6c3bCxwSM

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          • #6
            We've got quite a bit of it. Our horses sometimes slobber a lot but I've yet to have an impaction colic (or any other kind) from it.

            Just 'cause it's in a book doesn't make it true.

            Ditto for the 'Net.

            G.
            Mangalarga Marchador: Uma Raça, Uma Paixão

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              #7
              Originally posted by RedMare01 View Post
              Oh lord, not again....

              uh oh-is this a volatile topic?

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              • #8
                Originally posted by JB View Post
                Define "toxic"

                If all it does is make the horse slobber, then no, it's not "toxic", as in, won't kill the horse unless he dehydrates to death.
                Uh oh...

                http://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/sh...light=slobbers
                You are what you dare.

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                • #9
                  Yeah, I remember that thread
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                  • #10
                    OMG, How did I miss that other thread? It's hilarious!

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                    • #11
                      I have a lot of issues with clover. One of my vets said if he had it, he'd kill every bit of it. Laugh all you want but it can cause problems with some horses. Colic, laminitis, lactating in non-pregnant mares to the point that mastitis occurred are just some of the problems I've had with it. Of all of the issues with clover, slobbers is mainly just a gross inconvenience for my herd.

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                      • #12
                        Crimson clover's OK. Alsike (definitely) and (I think) Sweet Clover are bad.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by jaimebaker View Post
                          I have a lot of issues with clover. One of my vets said if he had it, he'd kill every bit of it. Laugh all you want but it can cause problems with some horses. Colic, laminitis, lactating in non-pregnant mares to the point that mastitis occurred are just some of the problems I've had with it. Of all of the issues with clover, slobbers is mainly just a gross inconvenience for my herd.
                          It can cause colic? OMG!

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by rodawn
                            According to the "Horse Owners Field Guide to Toxic Plants", crimson clover, with the pretty blood-red flowers and hairy stems, falls into the toxic category. It can harbor a fungus which makes horses salivate excessively and can make them colicky and go off their feed, diarrhea. This grows in Eastern USA up to the Great Lakes.

                            Alsike clover is the pinky-purple flowered, nonhairy stems and no white "V" on the leaves can cause colic, diarhea, hypersensitivity to light, liver damage, ulcers and hair loss. This grows North America-wide.

                            White-flowered clover is not toxic, but falls into the high sugar and "could cause laminitis" in sensitive horses category. Grows everywhere in N.A.

                            All clover is high in carbohydrate and sugar. In sensitive horses, they can develop laminitis scary quickly on it. In small moderation, clover is okay.
                            My copyright '96 copy of Horse Owner's Field Guide states that Crimson Clover causes colic and impaction as well as photosensitivity.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by grayarabpony View Post
                              My copyright '96 copy of Horse Owner's Field Guide states that Crimson Clover causes colic and impaction as well as photosensitivity.
                              You will find several on the BB that say it's ok since it causes colic, don't worry about it!

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                                Originally posted by grayarabpony View Post
                                My copyright '96 copy of Horse Owner's Field Guide states that Crimson Clover causes colic and impaction as well as photosensitivity.
                                I *think* that is the same book I have.

                                The impaction colic is what freaked me out a bit.

                                I was looking at 'it' again and really have no idea-the bloom looks like crimson clover but the bloom is pink, not crimson.

                                Granted it has been growing in the area for years and years-this year there is just so MUCH of it that it caught my eye.

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                                • #17
                                  Here in GA we have ag extension agents in each county. Call yours tomorrow. Youu can show him/her the plant and he/she will tell you what it is and whether or not it is toxic to horses.

                                  I've seen horses eat "red" clover and white clover with no problems, but I don't let mine eat either. Cows love clover and it is grown for them.

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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by davistina67 View Post
                                    It can cause colic? OMG!
                                    Yeah and so can 9 million other things. Pick your battles accordingly. I have 4 horses that have problems with clover. 2 others really don't Not every horse will seek it out. For some if it's growing they will gorge themselves on it and of course, too much of anything can cause colic or laminitis. For me, I spray it every year and try to kill it (it mostly just laughs at me). If I can worry a little less it's worth it to me. I've got one vet that likes clover in her pastures. The other says he's seen more issues with colic and laminitis with horses that have an abundance of clover in their pasture. Any proof it's ACTUALLY the clover doing the damage? Probably not. But you get enough issues going, then kill the clover and those issues stop it's enough to make you think. I had a mare that lactated for 7 years, not being bred the whole time. I had a lightbulb go off and sprayed all the clover in her pasture and killed about 70% of it. For the first time in 7 years the mare stopped lactating and dried up. Didn't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out.

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                                      Good grief, I just read that thread on slobber. I've never had a horse who slobbered. And just one llewellyn setter did and one lab.

                                      Mycotoxins binders are found in some feeds. They've been in seminole feeds for years. And recently a nutrena nutritionist who left seminole said he introduced mycotoxin binders to nutrena feeds. I've used seminole feeds over 10 yrs so I presume the binders are taking the fungi out of grasses and hay both of which can have fungi on them. My horses wanted to eat the white clover at previous barn, but I did not let them.

                                      Take the plant to your extension agent and find out if it is clover and if it does have mycotoxin fungi on it. And feed a feed with mycotoxin binders in it.

                                      Horse slobber? Glad my 2 have their rabies shots. I'd be worried about a horse that was foaming at the mouth.

                                      And beware tobacco weed. That can damage kidneys. And it's all over GA. Fortunately it does not taste as good as clover does. But if that's the only thing in a field, horses have eaten it and gotten sick, per my vet.

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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by jaimebaker View Post
                                        Yeah and so can 9 million other things. Pick your battles accordingly. I have 4 horses that have problems with clover. 2 others really don't Not every horse will seek it out. For some if it's growing they will gorge themselves on it and of course, too much of anything can cause colic or laminitis. For me, I spray it every year and try to kill it (it mostly just laughs at me). If I can worry a little less it's worth it to me. I've got one vet that likes clover in her pastures. The other says he's seen more issues with colic and laminitis with horses that have an abundance of clover in their pasture. Any proof it's ACTUALLY the clover doing the damage? Probably not. But you get enough issues going, then kill the clover and those issues stop it's enough to make you think. I had a mare that lactated for 7 years, not being bred the whole time. I had a lightbulb go off and sprayed all the clover in her pasture and killed about 70% of it. For the first time in 7 years the mare stopped lactating and dried up. Didn't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out.
                                        I know. Just saying there are people on here that don't believe it!

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