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  • Please, please send jingles for a wonderful horse!

    Last Thursday my daughter's sweet 9 year old paint gelding did not walk over to us when we arrived at the barn, very unusual. He was listless and didn't even want a carrot which is VERY unusual. I took his temp and it was 104.5 and climbing. Called vet to give banimine first long night and actually seemed to be better. Friday however, he refused food and barely drank and his fever went back up to 103.5. He started getting very runny diarrhea. Vet used biosponge and anitibiotics and he improved a bit but still had not so great capillary refill.

    Skip ahead to last night we have been giving bags of IV fluid and will give every couple of hours today. He is bloated and looks miserable. The vet is calling it colitis.

    Anybody have good outcomes with this? I need some good news.

  • #2
    Not a vet but it sure sounds like Potomac Horse Fever to me. Did the vet run any bloodwork? Hopefully, he's getting doxycycline or tetracycline.

    Get those feet iced now! Your horse is at high risk of developing severe laminitis.


    • #3
      Ditto on the PHF. Ditto on icing the feet. Even if it's not PHF, high fever can cause laminitis.
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      • #4
        I do not want to be the bearer of bad news but most horses with colitis do not survive without suffering severe laminitis and founder. . I have known only one out of about ten in the last thirty years who did.
        Colitis usually causes severe laminitis and extreme sudden founder. Worse than any other kind of founder.
        And every case of laminitis I have known that developed laminitis from this particular cause was eventually fatal. Those that the owners and vets tried to save went through months (or years) of foot pain and suffering because the damage was so severe.
        So I wish for this horse the small chance that he may recover from the colitis and without laminitis . But please, If this horse develops laminitis from this, , end it right then and do not try to save him.
        Patty Stiller CNBBT,CNBF,CLS, CE
        Natural Balance Certified Lameness Specialist ,instructor.


        • #5
          Bute works better than banamine for laminitis. Banamine works better for colic type of issues.

          My mare had bouts of colitis, (what we thought was colitis anyway, same symptoms). It was actually salmonella. (This was exactly one year ago.) She did founder. Rotated and sunk. Spent 3 weeks at the university, survived and delivered a filly in May. In her case, it took heavy drugs (more so than I would ever feel comfortable giving at home + IV meds only availale at the university), round the clock care, daily blood check to check organ fuction due to the drug dosage.

          They tied rectal exam arm gloves filled with ice around her feet and packed her feet with firm dental impressin material.

          Is there any preventative things you can do? Ask the vet. Do what ever you can to keep the feet healthy NOW. P.S is correct.. if they founder from this, its usually not a good outcome.

          I think there's also an antibiotic that can be given for colitis.. Can't think of the name.. ask the vet about this to.
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          • #6
            We're jingling like mad! Will pray, too.
            "The captive bolt is not a proper tool for slaughter of equids they regain consciousness 30 seconds after being struck fully aware they are being vivisected." Dr Friedlander DVM & frmr Chief USDA Insp


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              • #8
                Originally posted by back in the saddle View Post
                Bute works better than banamine for laminitis. Banamine works better for colic type of issues.
                Although this was surely well-intentioned, perhaps you missed that the horse has colitis. Bute is also notoriously a risk factor for horses developing right dorsal colitis. So, if the horse already has colitis, why the heck anyone would recommend giving Bute is beyond me.
                ETA, I forgot to add, am jingling!
                Last edited by sdlbredfan; Sep. 11, 2011, 11:48 AM. Reason: typo and add jingles
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                • #9
                  Banamine is, in fact, one of the best things that can be given for laminitis resulting from colitis. Banamine has been shown in studies to be anti-endotoxic at a partial dose. Endotoxin released from bacteria in the gut due to colitis being one of the main reasons horses develop laminitis from this disease. I would absolutely not stop giving this horse banamine and I would not give it bute instead.

                  Keep him hydrated, let him eat what he will, provide banamine and prevent laminitis (Ice, pack feet, banamine). BioSponge is great. Test for salmonella or treat for Potomac if you live in an area where this is a concern.

                  good luck and keep us posted. I'm sorry you are having to go through this, I know it is scary. Keep on keeping on and if you can afford to hospitalize him I would highly recommend it.


                  • #10
                    Originally posted by sdlbredfan View Post
                    Although this was surely well-intentioned, perhaps you missed that the horse has colitis. Bute is also notoriously a risk factor for horses developing right dorsal colitis. So, if the horse already has colitis, why the heck anyone would recommend giving Bute is beyond me.
                    ETA, I forgot to add, am jingling!
                    No.. I did NOT miss that. There's a difference in could happen and will happen. The point is: Once the horse has developed laminitis due to colitis it's a balancing act between bad and worse. Been there done that, got the T-shirt...AND my horse survived with rotation AND sinking AND a live foal 10 months later. THE second my horse showed signs of laminitis, meds were switched (from banamine to Bute) immediately PER THE VET (because he knew what he was doing). And yes she was also still squirting diarrhea at the time. It's a balancing act to be sure!!!!

                    At the hospital, (WHILE she still had colitis due to salmonella), my mare was getting 2 grams of bute 2X/day, (sheh wass on that for about 1.5 months total give or take) , lidocane drip, for laminitis/founder... warm epsom salts for 2 days via nose tube for a cecal impaction (you don't normally do this either, it can poision the horse), and the antibiotic.. metro??something... Her whole drug regime was the part that went into the ... "giving more meds that I would feel comfortable with at home" category. Daily checks were done to make sure right dorsal colitis didn't happen (and it didn't). Only a highly skilled vet should recommend course of treatment in the situation of colitis and founder at the same time. Knowing what I know now and how fast things can change with colitis, colitis at my house = trip to the university ASAP.

                    Colitis can go to laminitis FAST. Be prepared, ask your vet what to do, have the meds on hand so all you have to do is make the call and say my horse is foundering, what do I do? It's not a time to have to wait 3 hours for the vet to show up with the proper meds.

                    Editted to add... yes, banamine does help taking the toxins out of the system. But, as it was explained to me, once lamintis happens bute is the drug of choice.
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                    • #11
                      Agreed that bute is the nsaid of choice after a horse has foundered. It's good stuff, I am a huge fan. But this horse hasn't foundered yet, therefore she should definitely not stop utilizing banamine for now.

                      For the reasons just stated above, I would recommend hospitalization if things don't turn around soon and you can afford it. Colitis can be a tricky disease to manage. NOT meant to scare you, I think in the end, all of us jsut want the best for the horse and are just sharing our experiences.


                      • #12
                        Originally posted by ChevalV View Post
                        Agreed that bute is the nsaid of choice after a horse has foundered. It's good stuff, I am a huge fan. But this horse hasn't foundered yet, therefore she should definitely not stop utilizing banamine for now.

                        For the reasons just stated above, I would recommend hospitalization if things don't turn around soon and you can afford it. Colitis can be a tricky disease to manage. NOT meant to scare you, I think in the end, all of us jsut want the best for the horse and are just sharing our experiences.

                        I didn't think I implied she should stop banamine and go to bute. That was not my intent AT ALL!

                        The one thing that really disturbed me about my mares case: I thought she was getting better and it was only a few HOURS after thinking that she had full blown laminitis. It happens FAST. The university said a horse can be fine one minute and 30 minutes later be down from it. I had no idea.. I always assumed it was a gradually get worse kind of thing, and it's not.
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                        • Original Poster

                          He is looking more chipper. We are still giving IV fluids to keep up his appetite which has dramatically improved and still on banamine. His hooves are cool with no pulse and the the vet said the banimine is our preventive step and not to ice "yet". Hopefully we will be saved that heartache.


                          • #14
                            Jingles for the horse and for you!
                            I realize that I'm generalizing here, but as is often the case when I generalize, I don't care. ~ Dave Barry


                            • #15
                              Jingles!! I hope he recovers with no complications!!!
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                              • #16
                                My vets horse came down with a bad case of colitis and did not suffer from laminitis and made a full recovery although it was touch and go for a while.


                                PS Good luck with your guy......hope he makes a speedy recovery


                                • #17
                                  I have known of two horses that suffered from colitis and survived without any laminitis, so no, if you take precautionary measure laminitis is NOT definite. Jingling for your horse


                                  • #18
                                    Jingles for a full recovery with no laminitis.
                                    There are friends and faces that may be forgotten, but there are horses that never will be. - Andy Adams


                                    • #19
                                      "Police officers are public servants. Not James Bond with a license to kill."


                                      • #20
                                        Jingling for your horse!