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  • Why is she lame?

    Ugh. Mare turned up lame yesterday afternoon. She had her feet done and shoes put on in front on Thursday (first time she's had shoes on in 2 years). Saturday, we went for a trail ride. When we were maybe halfway back she got very wound up and was being impossible. I got off and walked her back the rest of the way (maybe 10 minutes on foot). Hosed her off, stuck her back in her field, came back that evening to feed and decided to stick her on the longe to see how she's moving on her new shoes... This is how she's moving. (Ignore the music, I felt it was preferable to listening to me cluck at her.)

    She has a scrape and bump on her right cannon, but it's the left front that she's lame on. She's landing very much toe first on it. I thought maybe she had a stone stuck under the heel of the shoe, but no. She bears weight fine on it. She's slightly hesitant to move, but nothing to indicate she's hugely uncomfortable. She's no better today, so she's staying in her stall for the first time in months...

    We already have a vet appointment scheduled for Tuesday, so no big deal to add in a lameness exam while he's here. But in the meantime, any ideas or suggestions? I have no idea what could be wrong.
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  • #2
    Not trying to be snarky, but maybe she doesn't like the shoes?

    She looks very uncomfortable at the walk to me, which she suggests that she's really sore.

    Good luck.
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    • #3
      shoes on Thursday, lame a couple of days later, speaks strongly to a "hot nail".

      Get a hoof pick, and starting on the *good* foot, tap each nail from the bottom. This is to gauge her reaction with a foot that doesn't hurt.

      Then do the same thing to the lame leg/foot and see what you see.
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        #4
        I did rap her foot and the shoe and nails with a hoof pick this evening, she didn't care. Wouldn't a hot nail show up pretty much right away, rather than 48+ hours later? I've been thinking she tweaked something while she was being stupid on the trail ride.. I'll try tapping the nails again tomorrow with more precision, anyway.
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        • #5
          Heel bruise? I say this because my mare got shoes for the first time ever on Tuesday, she was fine Wednesday when I rode her, then Thursday she was very off. She was very similar to your mare. My first thought was a hot nail but she showed no sensitivity to a hammer. Per my farrier I soaked the foot in Epsom salts and then I used ichthammol on the foot. When I went back out that evening to unwrap it, a huge bruise was on her heel. Called the farrier back and he said that was what he he had suspected based on the discription of the symptoms. I kept her up until Saturday night continuing to use the ichthammol, by then she was 80% better. Tonight when I went out to feed she was 100% better.

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          • #6
            The effects of a hot nail would show up very quickly. A 'close' nail on the other hand can take a few days for its effects to be seen. Alternatively, your horse may have landed on a rock or the like and bruised the sole. Since your vet is going to be there Tuesday, it might also be a good idea to see if you can get your farrier there at the same time. And considering the time frame since the shoeing, s/he should be willing to accommodate you(actually, he probably should have been there already).

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            • #7
              I would call the farrier first. Put the hoof testers on. Could be a nail, could be a bruise, could be the wet/dry cycles this time of year, abscess, etc. Good luck, hope it is something simple and cheap.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by amastrike View Post
                I did rap her foot and the shoe and nails with a hoof pick this evening, she didn't care. Wouldn't a hot nail show up pretty much right away, rather than 48+ hours later? I've been thinking she tweaked something while she was being stupid on the trail ride.. I'll try tapping the nails again tomorrow with more precision, anyway.
                I just dealt with this actually- My horse seemed slightly "off" but nothing noticable on the ground at first, 2 days later at a show- dead lame. We knocked on all the nails, but he didn't show signs of pain. When the nails were removed an abcsess blew out- and it took a week of going out 3X a day to keep the nail holes clean so another abcsess wouldn't form.

                A horse that is normally fine or close to fine on a trail and then starts "being stupid" after a farrier/change in their routine or feet, something is not right. Since this all started after she had shoes put on- it's probably a nail or something to do with the shoes.

                Like I always say- If you hear a herd of hooves, it's probably not a herd of Zebras. In other words- always look for the simplest explanation

                PS- If it is a hot nail- you need to get it out immediately. The longer you wait, the more damage it is doing (the longer healing time she will need too) Get your farrier out there asap.

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                  #9
                  Rick, the farrier is over an hour away. I could email him and see what he thinks... this is the first time he's done her. And to be honest, I don't really fancy paying the call fee again. Sorry, it sounds bad, but getting him here is NOT cheap. He's a darn good farrier and worth it, but since I've already got a vet scheduled the idea of adding another bill on makes my checkbook cry.
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                    Originally posted by hoofs2118 View Post
                    A horse that is normally fine or close to fine on a trail and then starts "being stupid" after a farrier/change in their routine or feet, something is not right. Since this all started after she had shoes put on- it's probably a nail or something to do with the shoes.
                    The being stupid on the trail had nothing to do with her feet. It had to do with her baby being a royal pain in the ass. And she's the type of horse that, once she gets upset, you're done for the day.
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                    • #11
                      If the vet comes out- he/she will be able to pull the shoe as well.

                      We all know how mama mares can be when away from baby- but she really is ouchy in that video- AND she is very short strided. She probably was acting even worse on trail from being ouchy. All signs point to hot nail in my eyes - and hopefully it is either that or something related to the dry weather and very easy to fix.

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                        Originally posted by hoofs2118 View Post
                        If the vet comes out- he/she will be able to pull the shoe as well.

                        We all know how mama mares can be when away from baby- but she really is ouchy in that video- AND she is very short strided. She probably was acting even worse on trail from being ouchy. All signs point to hot nail in my eyes - and hopefully it is either that or something related to the dry weather and very easy to fix.
                        Oh geez no, I hope the shoes don't need to be pulled, those things were effing expensive! The farrier cost nearly as much as she did.

                        On the trail: She was good and fine and perfectly happy and comfortable. And then we were in a narrow lane with electric fence on one side and trees on the other. Baby decided to stop in front of us so we couldn't go anywhere, not even turn around. Meanwhile, my friend was continuing along on her mare. My mare was flipping out because OMG MY FRIEND IS LEAVING and I CAN'T MOVE because my baby is in the way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Baby finally moved but mare's brain was fried. So yeah. Don't think it had anything at all to do with her shoes.
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                          #13
                          Emailed farrier, he's thinking sole bruising or that the ride was too much after the work that was done (some big changes in balance). We'll wait and see what the vet thinks.
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                            Originally posted by hoofs2118 View Post
                            If the vet comes out- he/she will be able to pull the shoe as well.
                            CRINGE.

                            Some of the vets can be one-man wrecking crews if you let 'em get their mits on farrier's tools.

                            If it is a close nail (or a nail-related abscess), you can often pull just the offending nail and leave the shoe in-place. Use a syringe to pump betadine solution through the nail path.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by amastrike View Post
                              Rick, the farrier is over an hour away.
                              Makes no difference.
                              I could email him and see what he thinks... this is the first time he's done her.
                              All the more reason he should come out.
                              And to be honest, I don't really fancy paying the call fee again.
                              You shouldn't have to.
                              Sorry, it sounds bad, but getting him here is NOT cheap.
                              You're right, its not cheap, it should be free.
                              He's a darn good farrier and worth it, but since I've already got a vet scheduled the idea of adding another bill on makes my checkbook cry.
                              As noted, and considering the time frame and his response to your e-mail, the only question he should have asked is "what time is the vet going to be there?"
                              IMNTBCHO, that visit is on his dime, and depending on the diagnosis,anything he has to do should probably be gratis too.

                              And, unless I knew that the vet knew how to correctly remove a shoe, I'd want to be there just to make sure the vet didn't make things worse. Unfortunately, IME, most vets are ham-fisted amateurs when it comes to using farrier tools correctly.

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                              • #16
                                Rick,

                                Does that stand for In My Not To Be Considered Humble Opinion? I'm not up on some of the more complicated acronyms.
                                I'm not really at the top of my game today. I'm not even exactly sure what game I'm supposed to be playing, in fact... or where it's being held...

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                                  #17
                                  Rick, it's kind of funny that you're coming down hard on the farrier because I contacted him after seeing you speak highly of him .

                                  Last night I wrapped her foot with animalintex, figure it won't hurt if there's bruising. She was feeling well enough to escape from her stall and run back and forth at her friend's fenceline and throw a fit when I tried to catch her .
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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by Bif View Post
                                    Rick,
                                    Does that stand for In My Not To Be Considered Humble Opinion? I'm not up on some of the more complicated acronyms.
                                    That works. However, for me, the 'N' stands for "Never"

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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by amastrike View Post
                                      Rick, it's kind of funny that you're coming down hard on the farrier because I contacted him after seeing you speak highly of him .
                                      Well, I'm not coming down on his knowledge, skill and ability. Rather, what appears to be his cavalier attitude about your problem.
                                      Last night I wrapped her foot with animalintex, figure it won't hurt if there's bruising.
                                      Or an abscess. Good move.
                                      She was feeling well enough to escape from her stall and run back and forth at her friend's fenceline and throw a fit when I tried to catch her .
                                      How's she doing today?

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                                        #20
                                        Rick, I don't find his attitude cavalier. He did do a lot of work and made some big changes to her feet, I think it's reasonable that a long-ish ride where she was being a butthead might have been too much for her. He responded to my email quickly and asked me to let him know what the vet says, it's not like he was unconcerned. I don't know how she's doing today, haven't had a chance to go to the barn. I may stop out during lunch to check on her.
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