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"Help Raise Taxes"? Badly foundered mare

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    "Help Raise Taxes"? Badly foundered mare

    Has anyone started a thread about Taxes, the 7 year-old clydesdale mare who foundered? The website is dedicated to fundraising for her treatment. Personally, without knowing the horse or her owners, I can't help but wonder if she would be better off being euthanized. The stall cam shows a horse who can barely stand, and the site text makes it seem as though she's been down for many, many months:

    "Her ability to get up and move around has shown her amazing strength and will power, astounding us as well as her hundreds of fans that have watched Taxes over the last few years on our stall cameras."*

    Hate to be a gossip, but it hurts to think of a badly foundered draft horse carrying that big body around—or lying down and living on day after day!
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    *Editing to add that on Facebook, the text reads: "our hundreds of fans that have watched her foal out over the years on our stall cams . . . " (italics mine). A little better . . .
    Last edited by didgery; Jul. 13, 2011, 06:28 PM.
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    OMG! Went to the streaming very sad for that poor mare.....




        Yeah I don’t understand letting a horse suffer so much. Horses live day to day. They do not think about the future, they are in the moment.

        The moment I am watching right now is a horse in pain. Sounds like she is down most of the time. I am watching the webcam right now. She is down, marks in the bedding making it look like she has been down for some time. Some one came in and tended to a foot, and gave her something orally.

        Their blog post really makes me wonder about these people’s priorities:

        the main activity this week is Wednesday Jeff Anderson, our amazing photographer will be here to do an unprecedented shoot with Taxes. We will be draping the stall with backdrops and lighting it and trying to see if Taxes and Jeff can give us real art. As far as I know no one has ever tried to make real art pieces created by a foundered horse. If all goes well I think this could be some of the most moving work we've both ever done. I am debating about maybe setting up the hand held camera pointed at Jeff's computer screen so as the pictures are taken you could see them come up on the screen live. Could be kind of cool. We will also be cutting off Taxes mane after the pictures are taken and may well take pictures of that too. Will probably be a bit emotional for me. I know it grows back and who cares it's hair but it still is another thing she has to lose. Already had her feathers cut off, that really didn't bother me. That grows back real fast anyway. Right now all the laying down is just making it all fall out. Her whole first braid has already fallen out. it's going to fall out anyway so we're going to cut.
        REALLY? The horse is in so much pain it is down most of the time, and you are going to have a “photo shoot”?

        And they have the site up, because they can not afford the horse’s treatment… but this is their farm’s website?!?!?! ART Horses?

        They have a “breeding and training operation”, “Equine Models and Actors”, looks like they have a very fancy website, and breed “drum horses” and Andalusions.

        It looks like a VERY VERY nice barn and operation. Much nicer then anything I could ever dream of affording. My horse certainly does not live in "mohagany stalls"! I don't understand why they are asking for donations, they hardly look like a charity case.

        Poor horse, she is BEAUTIFUL, but I really wonder if this is in her best interest.
        Last edited by Appsolute; Jul. 13, 2011, 04:07 PM.
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            as the owner of a recently (well, it was a year april 1st) i can honestly say, the first few weeks are very depressing. my big boy only rotated 5 degrees in each foot and he couldn't tolerate the banamine, so the first 10 days were he!!. once he was on equioxx and we realized he couldn't take the 'normal' wedge or pad support from the hoof boots, he really started to rally. however, saying all that, a draft horse with sinker rotation is NOT good. even if they starve her, she is still a heavy horse. i'd hate for her to develop an infection due to the dead bone/tissue in her feet. founder sucks.
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              Originally posted by Appsolute View Post
     ART Horses?

              They have a "breeding and training operation", "Equine Models and Actors", looks like they have a very fancy website, and breed "drum horses" and Andalusions.

              Poor horse, she is BEAUTIFUL, but I really wonder if this is in her best interest.
              years ago i was visiting a friend's horse that was at the vet clinic for colic. in the stall next to him was a (at one time) magnificent black arab stallion. he had foundered sooo badly that he was in a sling to keep him up. he was a rack of bones, obviously he didn't feel like eating (or living for that matter). found out later from one of the vet techs, that the owners had soo much money into him as a breeding stallion that they were 'collecting' from him as often as they could. how's THAT for greedy owners.
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                Originally posted by Appsolute View Post
                It looks like a VERY VERY nice barn and operation. Much nicer then anything I could ever dream of affording. I don't understand why they are asking for donations, they hardly look like a charity case.
                Appearances can be deceiving, especially if what was a good business got hit by a downturn and the mortgage is expensive (it seems the farm is for sale, so who knows)

                That said, I don't think I could do this to my horse. Even if he were to recover, I wouldn't want him in that much pain for any longer than it took me to hold his head in my hands and give him a last hug. But everyone is different, and they know the horse better than I do.
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                  Jesus...what is wrong with these people? Photo shoots of a horse in extreme distress and pain? I'm all for saving a foundered horse...and have worked on several as a farrier.... when they can be kept comfortable and mobile (with whatever form of hoof protection/support that works) but a recumbent horse that can't bear to stand up??? A draft horse to boot? And they want other people to pay for their selfishness in keeping this poor animal alive? I find that very offensive.


                    Originally posted by caffeinated View Post
                    Appearances can be deceiving, especially if what was a good business got hit by a downturn and the mortgage is expensive (it seems the farm is for sale, so who knows)

                    That said, I don't think I could do this to my horse. Even if he were to recover, I wouldn't want him in that much pain for any longer than it took me to hold his head in my hands and give him a last hug. But everyone is different, and they know the horse better than I do.
                    Oh believe me, I can understand a change in finances (being as my husband was laid off, and I took a 25K salary cut in the last few years, times have been TIGHT for me).

                    But, if finances are tight, you do not embark on a heroic effort to save a suffering horse. Or if you choose to, you have to start selling assets. I am sure they have a car or a horse trailer they can part with. How much did it cost to buy the domain name and set up this website!?!

                    I just couldn't imagine giving these people a "donation" rather then a nonprofit rescue.
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                      - poor horse. Making it seem all warm and fuzzy to get people to give them money to prolong this horse's suffering is just bizarre.

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                        I thought I had seen it all

                        This makes me ill


                          I don't know why I had to check in again... horse is flat out, just twitching at flies (although the stall looks very comfortable and immaculate, I give them that!)

                          2 hour update said "Infection worsening vet on way with drugs."

                          I hope this horse gets MUCH better REALLY soon, or that they end her suffering.

                          Poor mare, looks like such a nice horse, and must have a good temperment to tollerate this.
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                            Yeah, that comment about people watching her over the years is really troubling to me. Trying to save a foundered horse is one thing, but if she's been in that degree of pain for that long she needs to be put down. I hope that's a typo or they had something going before she foundered or something.

                            I'm always skeptical of people who claim their horse is educating professionals but don't have any comments from said professionals or evidence to back that up. It just seems like a flimsy justification for keeping the animal alive and a way to add legitimacy to their pleas for donations. The whole site is a bit sketchy, though. It seems like there's very little information about this mare's medical history and treatment, which seem relevant to deciding whether you want to donate or not.
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                                I did not go to the web site, but read the posts, so get the gist of things.

                                Didn't Barbaro's owners, after putting him down, say something to the effect of 'grief is the price we pay for love'.

                                I am one for pulling out all the stops, but if a horse isn't 'living' and it isn't something that is going to change, then do right, and give your horse the hardest gift.

                                This sounds so very awful.
                                Last edited by fivehorses; Jul. 13, 2011, 10:13 PM.
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                                  How sad to keep a horse in this amount of pain for how long???
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                                    Tons of pus coming out of the right front holes this am. Guess that's good....back to ozone!

                                    that is a facebook post. awesome...

                                    i truly am sickend by this fiasco. poor baby.
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                                      This is tragic. What is with these people to make such a show of this horse's suffering?


                                        I hadn't yet looked at the facebook account. Seriously, this makes me feel ill in the pit of my stomach.

                                        The horse's feet are oozing puss. A week ago she had big hip sores. The horse is always down on the web cam.

                                        The owner's are posting photos like this:

                                        Are they all laying on the horse's head and smiling, why?? Are they keeping her pinned during yet another painful proceedure, or just think the mare would like three people laying on her??

                                        Taxes Case Study 2011-07-06

                                        I usually do not get involved in these "dramas" but this is just eating at me for some reason.
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