• Welcome to the Chronicle Forums.
    Please complete your profile. The forums and the rest of www.chronofhorse.com has single sign-in, so your log in information for one will automatically work for the other. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are the views of the individual and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of The Chronicle of the Horse.



Forum rules and no-advertising policy

As a participant on this forum, it is your responsibility to know and follow our rules. Please read this message in its entirety.

Board Rules

1. You’re responsible for what you say.
As outlined in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, The Chronicle of the Horse and its affiliates, as well Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., the developers of vBulletin, are not legally responsible for statements made in the forums.

This is a public forum viewed by a wide spectrum of people, so please be mindful of what you say and who might be reading it—details of personal disputes are likely better handled privately. While posters are legally responsible for their statements, the moderators may in their discretion remove or edit posts that violate these rules. Users have the ability to modify or delete their own messages after posting, but administrators generally will not delete posts, threads or accounts upon request.

Outright inflammatory, vulgar, harassing, malicious or otherwise inappropriate statements and criminal charges unsubstantiated by a reputable news source or legal documentation will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of the moderators.

2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.
The forums are a wonderful source of information and support for members of the horse community. While it’s understandably tempting to share information or search for input on other topics upon which members might have a similar level of knowledge, members must maintain the focus on horses.

3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.

4. No advertising in the discussion forums.
Posts in the discussion forums directly or indirectly advertising horses, jobs, items or services for sale or wanted will be removed at the discretion of the moderators. Use of the private messaging feature or email addresses obtained through users’ profiles for unsolicited advertising is not permitted.

Company representatives may participate in discussions and answer questions about their products or services, or suggest their products on recent threads if they fulfill the criteria of a query. False "testimonials" provided by company affiliates posing as general consumers are not appropriate, and self-promotion of sales, ad campaigns, etc. through the discussion forums is not allowed.

Paid advertising is available on our classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.

Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:

Horses – Only general discussion about the buying, leasing, selling and pricing of horses is permitted. If the post contains, or links to, the type of specific information typically found in a sales or wanted ad, and it’s related to a horse for sale, regardless of who’s selling it, it doesn’t belong in the discussion forums.

Stallions – Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.

Services – Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.

Products – While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.

Event Announcements – Members may post one notification of an upcoming event that may be of interest to fellow members, if the original poster does not benefit financially from the event. Such threads may not be “bumped” excessively. Premium members may post their own notices in the Event Announcements forum.

Charities/Rescues – Announcements for charitable or fundraising events can only be made for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations. Special exceptions may be made, at the moderators’ discretion and direction, for board-related events or fundraising activities in extraordinary circumstances.

Occasional posts regarding horses available for adoption through IRS-registered horse rescue or placement programs are permitted in the appropriate forums, but these threads may be limited at the discretion of the moderators. Individuals may not advertise or make announcements for horses in need of rescue, placement or adoption unless the horse is available through a recognized rescue or placement agency or government-run entity or the thread fits the criteria for and is located in the Giveaways forum.

5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.

6. Respect other members.
As members are often passionate about their beliefs and intentions can easily be misinterpreted in this type of environment, try to explore or resolve the inevitable disagreements that arise in the course of threads calmly and rationally.

If you see a post that you feel violates the rules of the board, please click the “alert” button (exclamation point inside of a triangle) in the bottom left corner of the post, which will alert ONLY the moderators to the post in question. They will then take whatever action, or no action, as deemed appropriate for the situation at their discretion. Do not air grievances regarding other posters or the moderators in the discussion forums.

Please be advised that adding another user to your “Ignore” list via your User Control Panel can be a useful tactic, which blocks posts and private messages by members whose commentary you’d rather avoid reading.

7. We have the right to reproduce statements made in the forums.
The Chronicle of the Horse may copy, quote, link to or otherwise reproduce posts, or portions of posts, in print or online for advertising or editorial purposes, if attributed to their original authors, and by posting in this forum, you hereby grant to The Chronicle of the Horse a perpetual, non-exclusive license under copyright and other rights, to do so.

8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.
The moderators may delete, edit, move or close any post or thread at any time, or refrain from doing any of the foregoing, in their discretion, and may suspend or revoke a user’s membership privileges at any time to maintain adherence to the rules and the general spirit of the forum. These rules may be amended at any time to address the current needs of the board.

Please see our full Terms of Service and Privacy Policy for more information.

Thanks for being a part of the COTH forums!

(Revised 1/26/16)
See more
See less

Rules gurus: question about SMZs

  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Rules gurus: question about SMZs

    My OTTB has a swollen hind leg and I'm going to start him on SMZs. (He's totally sound and has a normal temperature and I'm going to sweat it and cold hose today.) I have a competition on Saturday and I was trying to make sense of the USEF rules to find out if it's legal to compete him on SMZs. Of course if he spikes a fever or the swelling doesn't go down, I won't compete.

    Does anyone know the guidelines or could point me in the right direction? Do I need to fill out a drug form?

    Check out my blog at http://lindsayberreth.com

  • #2
    SMZ's are fine. Penicillin is not, because of the procaine in it. That DOES require a medication form.

    You can always call 800-633-2472, which is the USEF Drugs and Medications office, with any questions.


    • #3
      I have to say it because it's a peeve of mine, but I hope you have the"blessing" of your vet to start antibiotics. Far too many people start a horse on them simply because they have them on hand and the horse has some odd swelling, not diagnosed as anything, certainly not diagnosed as needing antibiotics, "just in case", and it's killing us in terms of creating resistant bacteria.
      The CoTH CYA - please consult w/your veterinarian under any and all circumstances. - ET


      • #4
        This page on the USEF website


        gives access to the various D&M guidelines and rules

        This is the Guideleines booklet
        Vhttp://www.usef.org/issuu/flipbook.ashx?docname=drugsmedsguidelines&pdfurl=h ttp://www.usef.org/documents/drugsMeds/DrugsMedsGuidelines.pdf

        No restritions on SMZ that iIcan find.

        chief feeder and mucker for Music, Spy, Belle and Tiara. Someone else is now feeding and mucking for Chief and Brain (both foxhunting now).


        • #5
          I emphatically and wholeheartedly agree with JB. My mare Bonnie almost died of a systemic allergic reaction to sulfa when she was a weanling. It was given appropriately, but still she wound up much worse off "with" them than she would have been "without".

          FIRST you make a diagnosis, THEN you treat. A random, swollen leg with no fever, no wound, no lameness does NOT mandate antibiotics, IMO. But my opinion is next to worthless--ask your vet!
          Click here before you buy.


          • Original Poster

            I did consult with the emergency vet on call last night and this morning. She said because his temp was normal, he was sound and had an appetite, that I should sweat it and keep it wrapped. If any changes in temp or temperament occur, I should call.

            She recommended SMZS and bute if I wanted and to check it tomorrow morning and possibly have them come out. She was just trying to save me the emergency call if necessary and I appreciate that.

            He has never really had a large swelling like this and I'm concerned it might be cellulitis, but I have never dealt with it before. I was googling last night to find out what I could, but after talking with the vet, she thinks because he has no fever, we're not there yet. It's in his right hind leg and now his right front ankle is puffing a bit down the pastern. He's still sound and doesn't seem too bothered. I wrapped him all the way around just in case. I can't find any cuts, but maybe they were running around because of the fireworks noise? My gut feeling says it's a cut somewhere, but he's had slight swelling before because of a cut and it usually goes down after turnout (which it didn't do last night. Maybe about 10% down).

            I had not tried calling the USEF office yet because I'm guessing they're closed for the holiday, but if it comes down to it, I will definitely call the hotline if any other antibiotics are prescribed.

            Thanks for the info everyone! Hopefully it's nothing serious.

            Check out my blog at http://lindsayberreth.com


            • #7
              Pardon ignorance - but I've heard this before. what is the logic behind using sulfamethoxazole (SMZ) for leg swelling in horses? I don't understand why you would use an antibiotic for swelling in a non-infected animal? Those of you that use it - how long do you use it for? A full "treatment" course of antibiotics (10-14 days?). Is your vet assuming infection is the cause of the swelling?

              Are you all using sulfamethoxazole (SMZ) alone or are you using sulfamethoxazole/trimethoprim (SMZ/TMP) which is a combination antibiotic better known as Bactrim or Septra in humans? http://www.drugs.com/pro/bactrim.html or http://www.drugs.com/sfx/bactrim-side-effects.html. I don't see anywhere that SMZ or SMZ/TMP has an effect (or even a side effect) of resolution of edema.

              I tried to look on vet forums and couldn't find any rationale behind the recommendation for it but clearly there are some prescribing it since I hear of trainers using it for that purpose fairly often. Oddly enough in humans Bactrim can cause decreased kidney function and - in rare cases - can actually lead to edema/swelling if it alters kidney function enough to decrease urine output....http://www.aafp.org/afp/20000401/2077.html. Also since it's a sulfa type drug - allergic reactions (including swelling of the airway, etc.) can occur.


              • #8
                "SMZs" are sort of like a general tonic in a lot of barns. Much like moms insisting on antibiotics for every little sniffle their kids get, many horse people are the same with random swellings, lumps, even the odd cough.
                Click here before you buy.


                • #9
                  huh...well i assume it's vets that are prescribing it since it's not OTC. maybe they are just caving into trainer pressure to do *something* (anything - even if it makes no sense?) i'd love to hear vet perspective. maybe there is more to it than meets my (non-vet) eye...


                  • #10
                    Well, veterinary medicine being somewhat less user-friendly (no walk-in clinics or ERs), a lot of people, myself included, keep things like basic antibiotics, banamine, bute, Ace, and other drugs on hand. My vet is wonderful, but I'm quite sure he'd rather not drive 45 miles to bring me a vial of banamine, and I would also rather not drive to the pharmacy for 300 tabs of Bactrim at 7am if I can avoid it.

                    Having it on hand makes sense. Using it indiscriminately does not.
                    Click here before you buy.