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  • Reactions to Rabies??

    So our barn got their spring shots and two of the horses had relatively serious reactions to the Rabies, several more had swollen injection sites.

    I've never known horses to react to Rabies vx?? I've seen WNV and Rhino reactions....

    Rabies is required by law here in NY. I don't think you can skate by just running titres, I'm pretty sure you have to have proof of documentation. Anyone know for sure?
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    Titers are not acceptable proof of protection. All my animals, dogs and cats included, get rabies vaccines every year. A vaccine site reaction is a lot less serious than rabies. The only way I'd be willing to skip it is if getting the vaccine posed a serious threat to the animal's health.
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    • #3
      My pony got hers on Saturday and was still swollen and sore on Tuesday. Wednesday she was not so sore but still a bit swollen. I thought it was quite along time to be swollen too.
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      • #4
        Might want to try a vaccine from a different producer next time.
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        • #5
          There was a thread not too long ago about the rabies vaccine but it does seem that it does scause problems in some horses (one of my included):

          http://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/sh...d.php?t=300078
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          • #6
            Flash, it's probably not the vaccine itself but the adjuvant (carrier if you will). You might check on the Rabies certificate you received which company made the vaccine. I know my vet just used Merial but there are others out there. You should contact your vet and let him/her know of the reaction.

            Sometimes horses are more sensitive to some vaccines, actually the adjuvant, than others. Also perhaps has they age they react differently as well.

            If the horse is known to get a reaction where they are really very sore and stiff, you can give them bute ahead of time to reduce the inflammation. I had one guy that very dramatic and let you know he was DYING!!!! One gram of bute fixed him right up! I personally think he was just a drug addict.
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            • #7
              I did all the "outside" animals the other day (horses, goat, barn cats). I gave one horse a 2 bute night before and the other her previcox. The buted horse was fit as a dollar in the morning and everyone else was droopy and barely moving/eating. Nobody was swollen but I'm sure they were sore in that area. You can try bute and cold packs/hosing for the ones still sore and swollen.
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              • #8
                My TB has reacted twice to rabies vax. The first time he had a gas colic (the goats got him running around shortly after his vaccine, so that could've triggered it), the next time he had a very swollen neck (injection site). The doc said to just give him banamine before the vaccine. Been doing that the past 3 yrs. with no more reactions. The vaccine (Imrab) was the same all along.
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                • #9
                  We did spring shots on Friday, and had more reactions than in a very long time. Mostly stiff, sore, crankiness. Unfortunately yesterday's monsoon kept them all inside, so the stiffness continued through today. Hoping they're all fit as fiddles tomorrow...

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Ghazzu View Post
                    Might want to try a vaccine from a different producer next time.
                    Yes different vaccine companies use different binders with the virus. And also beware old vaccines.

                    The virus id dead. It could be the binders or the age of the vaccine. Or with one barn yet, the fact that he did not keep vaccines out of the 95 degree weather for days on end. I only had reactions that one time with that one vet. My 2 and others got stiff necks, no swelling.

                    I always give my horses a bute the morning that the vet is coming for spring or fall shots, just in case.

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                    • #11
                      My poor TB got one of the worst "side effects" listed as a possible..a grossly swollen sheath! As we are in an area where rabies risk in horses is infintismally small, my vet said to not vax him again for it. He was miserable for nearly a week, with me cold hosing, hand walking, cold hosing, buting, ugh.
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                      • #12
                        My mini reacts every year with up to two weeks of stiffness. No swelling if injection site, no heat, just stiffness in her neck. I have to elevate her feed so that she does not have to reach down to the ground to eat and I do gho out and massage her neck twice a day. We have discussed giving the vac in her butt or chest but in the long run that may be worse if she starts stumbling and/or falling down from the stiffness.

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                        • #13
                          While on the reaction subject, My horse reacts very badly to Rhino, and possibly the rabies as well (I had them together last time ) He actually gets a fever that climbs up near 103 each time, and he has a bad NSAID sensitivty that makes bute/banamine impossible. We end up giving him a shot of dex with his vaccines, which makes the vaccine not do it's full job. Anybody else have ideas on how to deal with this? The fever only lasts about a day, but it gets so darn high it makes me freak out.

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                          • #14
                            Anyone ever have laminitic flareups after a vaccine?
                            This has happened two years in a row, on a gelding previously unremarkable, and who never had foot problems in his life. In fact, his feet have always been the ones my blacksmith says are what he wished more horses had.
                            It put him on the shelf all summer as his feet abscessed and blew out the heels. The white lines were all stretched, bloodshot and distorted. The first year he was barefoot, the second he was shod all winter.
                            Negative for Cushings.
                            No change in diet.
                            No changes in evironment, work, anything.
                            The only common factor was receiving a rabies vaccine just prior.
                            It takes months for him to clear up. So far there's been no lasting damage, but I don't want to subject him to yet another flareup.
                            I now struggle with changing the vaccine, or skipping a year to see if he's OK. He should have enough coverage to get by on a booster if he's exposed.
                            But I still am not 100% that was the cause either.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by msj View Post
                              Flash, it's probably not the vaccine itself but the adjuvant (carrier if you will). You might check on the Rabies certificate you received which company made the vaccine. I know my vet just used Merial but there are others out there. You should contact your vet and let him/her know of the reaction.

                              Sometimes horses are more sensitive to some vaccines, actually the adjuvant, than others. Also perhaps has they age they react differently as well.

                              If the horse is known to get a reaction where they are really very sore and stiff, you can give them bute ahead of time to reduce the inflammation. I had one guy that very dramatic and let you know he was DYING!!!! One gram of bute fixed him right up! I personally think he was just a drug addict.
                              Some are just drama queens, eh?!

                              Luckily wasn't my horse that had the issue, rather several of the horses at the barn where I'd been boarding. All are ok now, thank goodness. I'm not sure who the manufacturer was.... a few years ago I saw several reactions at two different barns I was riding at, from Ft. Dodge WNV vx. Several of the horses foundered, it was a mess!
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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by Lady Counselor View Post
                                Anyone ever have laminitic flareups after a vaccine?
                                This has happened two years in a row, on a gelding previously unremarkable, and who never had foot problems in his life. In fact, his feet have always been the ones my blacksmith says are what he wished more horses had.
                                It put him on the shelf all summer as his feet abscessed and blew out the heels. The white lines were all stretched, bloodshot and distorted. The first year he was barefoot, the second he was shod all winter.
                                Negative for Cushings.
                                No change in diet.
                                No changes in evironment, work, anything.
                                The only common factor was receiving a rabies vaccine just prior.
                                It takes months for him to clear up. So far there's been no lasting damage, but I don't want to subject him to yet another flareup.
                                I now struggle with changing the vaccine, or skipping a year to see if he's OK. He should have enough coverage to get by on a booster if he's exposed.
                                But I still am not 100% that was the cause either.
                                Yes, and the horse ultimately died from complications. Personally I would not ever vaccinate your horse again.
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                                • #17
                                  Revamping thread.

                                  Horrible reaction here; almost two weeks.

                                  Vet is submitting case to the company.

                                  anyone else go through this?

                                  Cannot vaccinate him for rabies again.
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                                  • #18
                                    Which vaccine producer?
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                                    ...just settin' on the Group W bench.

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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by right horse at the right time View Post
                                      Revamping thread.

                                      Horrible reaction here; almost two weeks.

                                      Vet is submitting case to the company.

                                      anyone else go through this?

                                      Cannot vaccinate him for rabies again.
                                      Did rabies vaccines in may. One got a sore neck lasted a few days. Other then sore neck no other issues.

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                                      • #20
                                        I stopped giving rabies every year to my senior gelding. He started having reactions that were progressively worse each time, even when we tried giving it along with IV Banamine. He would be so sore, go off feed, run a fever, etc. After talking with my vet, I decided to start skipping years. At 28yrs old now he's probably done with it for good actually. He's been vaccinated religiously for it since he was a baby so there has to be some built-up immunity after all this time. The years he has received it, we give it in the fall because otherwise it causes his summer allergies/COPD to flare badly and he's miserable, coughing and wheezing all summer. My vet says this vaccine causes the most reactivity in the immune system as any of them so I don't think this is an uncommon issue.
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