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Protocol for after a hard jumping session?

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  • Protocol for after a hard jumping session?

    Wondering what the protocol is for an upper level jumper? Do you stand them up after every time you jump, ice, poltice etc? Do you bute them after a hard jumping school? Not talking about FEI levels but if you have one of those, I'd be interested to hear how you keep their legs healthy without any medications.

    Want to do the best for our horse and wondering what some of the top grooms and barn managers do to keep their horses sound and healthy.

    Thanks!

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    I don't do the bigger jumps (just 3'-3'3") but I stand my horses up after EVERY time I jump... it can't hurt right? I've iced my older gelding in the past after a long day of showing, but don't do it regularly. IMHO, I would at least wrap them with some ligament after each jumping school, all of my 'A' trainers have suggested it.

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    • #3
      Does poultice really do anything? Can see icing, wish I felt rich enough to buy a Game Ready. And wrapping definitely seems to help keep swelling down.

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      • #4
        If available, turnout. In the nice weather, I would put my jumper out most nights after a jump school or after a show. If he had to be stabled, I would alcohol then wrap front legs. He never once stocked up, and I didnt bother wrapping unless we were schooling significant heights.

        Now that my horses are all hunters, and I rarely school over 2'9 with them, I dont wrap (unless they have shown, as they show at 3' mostly), I still liketo put them out, but if they stay in, they usually dont need wrapping at that height.

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        • #5
          My personal favorite:

          Go stand knee/hock deep in the creek for 20 minutes afterward. Let the Serious Jumper chill and play with the water while he gets free, natural hydrotherapy.

          Then let him roll and TO overnight. He could gently keep is own body loose, his way.

          I'd add a gram of bute for an older horse who I knew was at that age/personality where a stiff body was starting to catch up with him a bit. For a horse with a personality that is more strong or more "game" I wouldn't use bute at home. I'd save that little bit of extra help for the shows where he couldn't do all the natural, fun stuff and was limited by living in a stall.

          I guess wrapping with alcohol or poultice would depend on whether or not I was planning to stuff him back into his stall after the hard school and whether or not he was prone to edema. I'd like to think that I'd have him so fit in terms of his tendons and ligaments that I wasn't really fighting any real edema in those tissues.
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          • #6
            I don't wrap my horse, I rub done his legs and turn him out.
            I think allowing the horse to move around is better then anything else you can do.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by mvp View Post
              My personal favorite:

              Go stand knee/hock deep in the creek for 20 minutes afterward. Let the Serious Jumper chill and play with the water while he gets free, natural hydrotherapy.
              I grew up living next to an old fox hunter and race track gentleman. He always told me this is what they did with the race horses after a tough day, I had never heard anyone else say this! I absolutely believe it works, it is easier than cold hosing and uses less water!

              I rarely wrap. I think it is better to turn them out, let them move and don't over heat their tendons. If I were jumping big (4'+) I would probably set them up at night. But, everyone has a difficult routine!

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Reagan View Post
                I grew up living next to an old fox hunter and race track gentleman. He always told me this is what they did with the race horses after a tough day, I had never heard anyone else say this! I absolutely believe it works, it is easier than cold hosing and uses less water!

                I rarely wrap. I think it is better to turn them out, let them move and don't over heat their tendons. If I were jumping big (4'+) I would probably set them up at night. But, everyone has a difficult routine!
                Yeah, and besides *having* the creek, I learned this from two sources:

                An article in _Western Horseman_ long ago about a big ranch that had a creek. They build a 3 sided log "pen" over a section of it. They worked their cutting horses en masse. When they were done, the rode/ponied the whole set into the box in the creek. It sounded great.

                And some race horse trainers at Del Mar (San Diego) used to have their exercise riders ride over to the beach and cruise around in the surf.

                Too bad most of us don't have creeks or oceans near by. Cold hosing and wrapping are bad substitutes, but we do the best we can.
                The armchair saddler
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Reagan View Post
                  I grew up living next to an old fox hunter and race track gentleman. He always told me this is what they did with the race horses after a tough day, I had never heard anyone else say this! I absolutely believe it works, it is easier than cold hosing and uses less water!

                  I rarely wrap. I think it is better to turn them out, let them move and don't over heat their tendons. If I were jumping big (4'+) I would probably set them up at night. But, everyone has a difficult routine!
                  Some National Hunt trainers have built a walk which is above the knees in water. It's usually a 10min walk back from the gallops riders aboard. It's so cool!

                  You really don't get ice here, but at my jumper barn the horses are done up in poultice. Going back to lots of turnout time too now that the good weather is almost here.

                  Terri
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                  • #10
                    At home I do nothing.

                    I've been schooling my TB around 4'9" courses for the last few weeks and I just toss him back out into his field when we're done. He doesn't get stocked up, he doesn't get particularly sore, and I don't want to do anything to him unneccessarily. If he were using his body in an extreme way to do it I might consider buting him overnight much like I take tylenol after every big jumping session

                    Same story for my mare. We rarely do more than 4' or maybe 4'3" these days, but when we do have a tough jumping session I just turn her back into her field and let her work it out herself.

                    At shows I start wrapping on the 2nd or 3rd day of classes using my Back on Track wraps. They also live in their BOT sheets at shows from day one. And if we're doing big jumps I bute from night 2 or 3 on as well.
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                      #11
                      Thanks for the advice. Just wondering what people do who don't have a lot of turnout or creeks.

                      Agreed that it is best for them to get turnout and ice in the creek but for many that isn't an option.

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                      • #12
                        If Tip cannot be turned out after a hard jump school I wrap his legs (he is a professional stocker-upper) and may give him a gram of bute depending on the weather and his schedule for the week. Usually, though, turnout is all he needs.

                        I'd love to stand him in the creek if he wouldn't roll in it...
                        "I'm not always sarcastic. Sometimes I'm asleep." - Harry Dresden

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                        • #13
                          Ice and (often) bute. Ice is the best. It's free, easy to apply, and really works. I often wrap if I'm at a show and turnout is not possible. But I don't really think there's a lot of therapeutic benefit to wrapping or the potions that go beneath, unless you're concerned about stocking up.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by touchstone- View Post
                            Ice and (often) bute. Ice is the best. It's free, easy to apply, and really works. I often wrap if I'm at a show and turnout is not possible. But I don't really think there's a lot of therapeutic benefit to wrapping or the potions that go beneath, unless you're concerned about stocking up.
                            When you say "ice is easy to apply", what method do you use? Personally don't find it that easy. I bought some ice boots with pockets, but putting whole ice cubes in there results in lumpy mess. I bought some "pump-up" boots that you store in the freezer, storing in freezer not that conducive to away shows, plus a bit of a wrestle getting them on. Ideas?

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                            • #15
                              After a hard school, I usually have to rinse a horse off. I just cold-hose the front legs since I'm in the wash rack, anyway. I may wrap with alcohol if I have the time...but generally, no.

                              My horses are young and pretty fit. I would probably consider a different protocol on an older, creaky horse.

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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by dogbluehorse View Post
                                When you say "ice is easy to apply", what method do you use? Personally don't find it that easy. I bought some ice boots with pockets, but putting whole ice cubes in there results in lumpy mess. I bought some "pump-up" boots that you store in the freezer, storing in freezer not that conducive to away shows, plus a bit of a wrestle getting them on. Ideas?
                                I'm a huge fan of the Ice Horse boots and inserts. They are easy to put on, stay cold, and are soft when frozen.

                                But at horse shows where there's easier access to ice than a freezer, I'll often just fill up a bucket with ice water and place horses legs inside. (I do recognize that my horse is unusually cooperative when it comes to operations like the above. YMMV.)

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