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    What am I suppose to be worming with at this time of year in the South (AL)? I can never remember
  • Original Poster

    #2
    what's the best wormer..

    to use at this time of the year in the South? (AL)
    I can't seem to find a good guide and I always forget from season to season.

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    • #3
      Have your vet do a FEC and see what, if anything, the horse has.

      Most likely you'll want to do Equimax, regardless of the FEC results. You want to kill bots and tapeworms, and this will do both. It will also kill strongyles if they are present.

      The reason you don't want to just deworm without a FEC is you really, really want to start understanding the natural immunity your horse has to parasites. There's zero reason to deworm any more than twice a year (see above re bots/tapes), if your horse is a low shedder by nature.

      But you can't know what sort of shedder he is without regular FECs to establish a pattern.
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      • Original Poster

        #4
        Thank you- I was just reading how it's getting more important to do that, with resistance being such an issue these days.
        I will indeed have that done, I don't think that it's terribly expensive and well worth it I'm sure.

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        • #5
          What did you last deworm with, and when?

          You need to make sure you wait an appropriate amount of time after the last deworming to make sure the FEC results actually count.

          For example, if you last used ivermectin, you need to wait at least 12 weeks before doing a FEC

          That's 4 weeks past the effectiveness of ivermectin, allowing time for any parasites to mature to egg-shedding stage to be picked up on the FEC.

          Fenbendazole and pyrantel pamoate are about 4-5 weeks effective, so 8-9 weeks after that. Quest is 12 weeks, so you need to wait 16 weeks.
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          • #6
            I use a power pack followed a week later by 1 1/2 x anthelcide. equimaxx in summer and repeat the power pack cycle in the fall. You may get more responses in the horse care section.
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            • #7
              depends on what your wormer rotation has been so far

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                #8
                I last wormed with Quest, that was in November, so it's been about 4 months.
                I'll give my vet a call and check with him. I do think it's best to do a FEC, you're right. No sense worming if it's not necessary, or worming with the wrong thing.

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                • #9
                  There are many variables -- your past program, your horse's living situation, etc. I'm getting ready to PowerPac my guy in about a week as he got worms this winter. He got Quest (moxidectin) in February, which packs a mighty punch.
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                  • #10
                    My advice would be get a poop sample for a fecal egg count (pretty cheap from vet). That way you know what worms you need to deworm for. Also, there are more and more studies coming out showing that the standard rotational/daily worming is contributing to resistant worms. Choosing a dewormer based on what you know you need to treat for can help cut down on the development of resistant worms...Plus there have been occasions when my horses haven't needed deworming... which was nice to know I wasn't pumping their systems full of stuff they didn't need!

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by sarah88 View Post
                      My advice would be get a poop sample for a fecal egg count (pretty cheap from vet). That way you know what worms you need to deworm for. Also, there are more and more studies coming out showing that the standard rotational/daily worming is contributing to resistant worms. Choosing a dewormer based on what you know you need to treat for can help cut down on the development of resistant worms...Plus there have been occasions when my horses haven't needed deworming... which was nice to know I wasn't pumping their systems full of stuff they didn't need!
                      Agree x100. Do some research - the current thinking is that we are over-using dewormers and there are better ways of dealing with worms than the conventional "deworm every 6-10 weeks and rotate."

                      I had been doing that, then had a rash of colics in our (normally very healthy) herd of 3 this winter. It was scary and nobody could figure it out. We had dewormed, we had a fecal egg sample done - nothing showed up - then a different vet suggested encysted cyathastomes, which respond to moxidectin (Quest) but not ivermectin.
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                      • Original Poster

                        #12
                        Thanks all, I had been reading about how it's getting more important to do fecals to determine what worms are there. I do think that it's quite inexpensive, so I'll do that first!

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                        • #13
                          It was my understanding that a fecal might not detect encysted worms/larvae...
                          I do think we are over-worming, and have been for years, which is why there is now resistance to so many "molecules" .
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                          • #14
                            I am starting to really re-look at my worming methods. And am wondering about doing the fecal check and then figuring out a new schedule. Noticed Smartpak has an "Equine Worm Test", has anyone used them? Any thoughts on doing that versus the vet? (obviously the cost!...but don't want to be kicking myself in the long run if the boy gets sick).

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Blugal View Post
                              Agree x100. Do some research - the current thinking is that we are over-using dewormers and there are better ways of dealing with worms than the conventional "deworm every 6-10 weeks and rotate."
                              I was just talking to my vet about the new 'test and worm' ideas going around and he cynically suspects Pfizer is going to come out with some sort of new worming program soon.

                              The threshhold for worms they have on the "worm every 2 months" program based on test results is 800. A quarterly horse tests at 200. In my vet's population, the count is more like 50. He would consider 200 sky high.

                              Vet is more drastic than I am and generally recommends a daily wormer. His argument is that way the worms haven't migrated all over the horse's body before you kill them.

                              I am on the fence sifting all this information and just try to remember my worming schedule and stay on track.

                              But I generally try to charter a course between the extremes and while I am not currently using a daily wormer I am also not going to test and only worm when my horse hits 200 either.
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                              • #16
                                equimaxx at least for in Michigan it's the only wormer I have used that I actually noticed the horses immediately stopped rubbing their tail's when they started to after I gave it to them. Plus it is safe for pregnant mares. Testing manure would be interesting though...
                                I wonder what our horses would post about?!

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by sarah88 View Post
                                  My advice would be get a poop sample for a fecal egg count (pretty cheap from vet). That way you know what worms you need to deworm for. Also, there are more and more studies coming out showing that the standard rotational/daily worming is contributing to resistant worms. Choosing a dewormer based on what you know you need to treat for can help cut down on the development of resistant worms...Plus there have been occasions when my horses haven't needed deworming... which was nice to know I wasn't pumping their systems full of stuff they didn't need!
                                  Agree. I have been doing the quarterly fecals to know whether I needed to worm (I haven't in 6 mos or so) and if so what to worm for.

                                  As others have noted, it means you don't have to unnecessarily medicate, it helps stop the development of resistant worms, and also the manure breaks down faster in the fields.

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                                  • #18
                                    We moved your thread here to Horse Care where it's a bit better fit.

                                    Thanks!
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