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Succeed vs Arenus ASSURE Guard?

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  • Succeed vs Arenus ASSURE Guard?

    we're pretty sure Rasta's sudden change in atitude and behavior is due to hindgut ulcers...am putting him back on UG but also need to treat for the hindgut. These two products seem to be the best...so what does do COTHers think about eith or both? Both are expensive and both have glowing reviews....
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    Has a vet diagnosed him with hindgut (colonic) ulcers? Here's some info from KER: http://www.ker.com/library/advances/433.pdf

    I believe sulcralfate is the correct treatment.

    Have you looked at Equi-Shure for treatment for chronic colonic ulcers? It's less than $50/month.
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      I have to say that I have had quite remarkable results with Succeed. Both horses suffered mild intermittant colic episodes which were easily remedied. But on the first one the vet suggested that hind gut ulcers might be the source of the horse's discomfort and recommended I try Succeed. On the second one, I went to Succeed on my own, due to the success with the first horse. Both times the horses' attitudes and comfort changed remarkably. Neither coliced again.
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        Originally posted by LauraKY View Post
        Has a vet diagnosed him with hindgut (colonic) ulcers? Here's some info from KER: http://www.ker.com/library/advances/433.pdf

        I believe sulcralfate is the correct treatment.

        Have you looked at Equi-Shure for treatment for chronic colonic ulcers? It's less than $50/month.
        thanks for the article...I was surprised that the authors recommended limiting hay to reduce gut fill...what's your take on THAT?
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          Originally posted by RunForIt View Post
          thanks for the article...I was surprised that the authors recommended limiting hay to reduce gut fill...what's your take on THAT?
          They said smaller frequent meals to reduce loading the colon while the ulcers healed. Switching to a high-fiber complete feed for 3-4 months. I'd think it would be difficult for the ulcers to heal while they're being stretched. Short, frequent access to grass is important to keep things moving.

          "The principal components of treatment for RDC include discontinuing use of NSAIDs, decreasing gut fill to allow the colon to rest, and offering frequent feedings. These steps should lead to reduced inflammation and restoration of normal colon absorptive function (Cohen et al., 1995). Reduction in gut fill can be accomplished by decreasing or eliminating dry hay from the diet and replacing with frequent feeding of alfalfa based pelleted complete feeds with at least 30% dietary fiber (Purina Senior™, Purina Mills, St. Louis, MO). This reduces gut fill and decreases the mechanical load on the colon. The horse can be allowed to graze small amounts of fresh grass (10- to 15-minute intervals, four to six times daily) to help maintain body weight. The switch to a complete feed diet should be made over several days to a week to allow the gastrointestinal tract time to acclimatize to the feed change. The complete feed diet should be continued for three to four months, at which time hypoproteinemia and hypoalbuminemia should have resolved."

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            I did read that. I'd have to discuss it with my vet, if I had the problem. Not sure how I feel about it.

            I would think a nice soft 2nd cutting alfalfa in a small hole hay net would be acceptable, myself. But, I'm no vet and not an ulcer expert either.
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            • #7
              Check out Grand Meadows Digest. It's their new product that is cheaper than Succeed and has more of the main ingredients that Succeed uses.

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                Hi Run For It, I have to say that I have looked into the research on both products through their respective companies and the Assure Guard has much more data to support their product.
                Succeed uses oat oil and I have yet to find a vet that believes that oat oil is the best way to help the hindgut. Assure Guard has high doses of prebiotics, probiotics and psyllium which has shown to help with ulcers and maintain the lining of the colon. You may want to contact the company because there is also a product called Assure Plus that you use with the Assure Guard.
                I use both products on my horse - Assure Guard every day but the Assure Plus is just for 1 week each month.
                The other nice part is that the Assure is much less expensive than Succeed.
                Obviously you need to find what works best for your horse, but from my experience the Assure Guard is the way to go. The company was helpful and sent my vet and trainer the research they have done. My vet was actually very impressed!

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                  What about Ugard?

                  Hey RunForIt,

                  Have you thought about Ugard? It is manufacturered here in Aiken, and I have had great success with it! My horse has gained weight (now looks more warmbloody than TB) and is in a much better mood. It is a daily supplement (am/pm) and then increased dose when stressers go up.

                  My vet, Dr. Keelin Redmon, recommended it for my horse and I have been extremly happy since putting him on it. She said that succeed wouldn't do what I needed (don't remember specifically how she explained it- it was quite a while ago- my memory is not what it used to be).

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                  • #10
                    if you want more info on why ugard over succeed, i can contact dr. redmon about it.

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