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  • #21
    It sounds like you have been working through a lot of the potential physical issues and treating for ulcers/stomach upset is a logical next step.

    If it helps you in evaluating your situation: I have an opinionated 5 year old that grasps things quickly and was doing fantastic. But when we stepped his work up, he started to get anxious or throw temper tantrums. I had to step way, way back with him because he was starting to get anxious over very simple things. Like your horse, the canter was, and still is to a smaller degree, his biggest source of anxiety for similar reasons. At this point, I have just been keeping things very simple, being clear, calm, consistent, and often creative to get the point across (more specifically, to make him think it his idea). As soon as I get what I want, he gets rewarded and we either stop or move on to something he enjoys. While we are not there yet, he is improving and coming back stronger than before.

    Since he was displaying some vague ulcer symptoms, we purchased 10 tubes of ulcergard and did 7 days with the full tube, then 12 days of a 1/4 tube. Since we started him on the ulcergard, we gave him ugard and smartpak digest ultra for 30 days as he was also experiencing loose stools and gasiness. Within 3 days of starting this regimen, he was a happier horse. After 30 days, we took him off the uguard to see if the smart digest would be enough. Within two or three days, he started to get cranky again. We've since switched to gastroease by perfect prep (similar to both supplement smart digest and uguard, but in a single supplement) and he remains happy.


    • #22
      Originally posted by Janet View Post
      My first thought was Lyme. But ulcers are also a strong possibility.

      At the USEA annual meeting there was a speaker (from SUCCEDED) who said that increased senitivity on the RIGHT side is often a sign of colonic (as opposed to gastric) ulcers.
      Janet, did the speaker discuss treatment for colonic ulcers? I think I read somewhere that a regimen of UG doesn't work on colonic ulcers....
      ~ it no longer matters what level I do, as long as I am doing it..~ with many thanks, to Elizabeth Callahan


      • Original Poster

        RunForIt- I think I may have recalled reading something like that too somewhere. anyone know?

        an update- I put him on the 3.3mg/kg Zantac twice daily and thought I noticed an improvement in his spookiness. BUT, it wasn't exactly a controlled experiment because that same day, half of the crap at the far end of the arena that he's scared of was removed, so it probably was due to that.

        I took him off of it for a few days and he went back to his usual spookiness, worried, and gawking at stuff. Oh, and really reacting when I first attach the girth- but not at all when I tighten it right before I get on- what could that be about?? I can't find anything unusual with the skin or muscles in that area when I look around and press on it? he has also been kicking at my brush with his front foot when I brush him just behind the right elbow, in the girth area. this is new, and he only does it before I ride, doesn't react at all when I brush him after riding.

        I've driven him once again now, when he first started acting a little bit less scared of the far end, and that went well, he seemed more relaxed in the cart than under saddle, but I'm still hesitant with him still nervous/looky on that one end.

        I put him back on Zantac, this time 6.6mg/kg twice a day. I did not crush the pills, they're pretty small and he eats them whole right out of my hand. hopefully that won't interfere with their efficacy. After 3 days on that dose, I have noticed NO change in his behavior- spookiness, girthiness, sensitivity to being brushed. The other day we noticed him biting at his sides. No idea if that is related. He still was shaking his head a little last night under saddle. BUT, he's taking bit contact a little bit better now, and we're doing a little better with that whole thing, being more relaxed while riding, except in 1/2 of the arena.

        The vet is coming out in a couple weeks for spring stuff, and I want to have them test a few things- I was going to have them check him for Lyme. For magnesium deficiency can they just draw a Mg level? Any other blood tests that would be worth doing? I will of course see if I can talk to them at the time (it's a whole barn visit, and of course scheduled when I am at work) about what has been going on to see if they have any good ideas.


        • #24
          It can take a month to heal ulcers. Three days won't really do much.


          • #25
            Why don't you try eliminating the MSM and Flax? One of my horses goes nuts on either one. If its not the MSM or flax, then I'd have my vet do further tests, but this would be a cheap place to start.


            • #26
              I would look at several things.....ulcers being one of them, but I would also check selenium levels, and possible PSSM.



              • #27
                I didn't read all the replies, but based on what I'm going through with my mare right now, I'd say ulcers. Your horse is exhibiting some of the signs that my mare did, and I ignored them or attributed them to something else.


                • #28
                  Originally posted by RunForIt View Post
                  Janet, did the speaker discuss treatment for colonic ulcers? I think I read somewhere that a regimen of UG doesn't work on colonic ulcers....
                  Sure - SUCCEED.

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