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Looking for Some Ideas - Bucking in Canter

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  • Looking for Some Ideas - Bucking in Canter

    A horse that I'm currently riding bucks (like a hop) or swaps off or both in canter. He only does this on a straight line, not on a circle.
    He has had his hocks xrayed and injected although they were very clean. He has had his back checked and his saddle fitted. Prior to this he had a sore back so attributed the bucking to this. His back is very sound now and his saddle fits really well. His teeth have been done recently. He regularly gets massage, chiro, acupuncture. He has had his front feet and legs checked throughly. He has underun heels and goes in bar shoes with pour in pads up front and regular shoes in behind. He is in good weight and gets lots of turnout and has a very regular routine. He has been back in work since finding the saddle for about a month and we have been doing a lot of long and low and stretching in trot just to leg him up.
    I feel that I've given him the benefit of the doubt for long enough and that maybe it's time to get tough and instill a work ethic in this guy.
    Thoughts?

  • #2
    How much? A couple of bunny hops at the beginning, or does it continue?

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    • #3
      Is he swapping back leads, fronts or both?

      How old is the horse? How trained is the horse? Is it just doing this when you are on it, or for anyone?

      I have a very well trained mare who I sometimes use in lessons. If the students don't ride her properly she gets pissy, crooked, and will swap. She is just too sensitive for them.

      I would make sure the horse can do shoulder fore at the trot, and then use those skills to help the horse hold its balance at the canter. Plan to circle, then do only a couple straight strides maintaining a bend around your inside leg, and then another circle and so on. Work to increase the number of straight strides between circles as you feel the horse (or you) better able to balance.
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        #4
        The bucking continues until I circle. I have been starting him off on a circle and if he's good going down the long side and then circling again at the other end.
        The horse is reasonably well trained. I evented him at entry level (BN) last summer and will continue with him this year if I can get this sorted out. He is 9, raced till 6. I started working with him last summer and put some dressage miles on him. He won his first test at entry level and was second in the event due to a rail in SJ.

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        • #5
          Too much inside rein can sometimes cause this. If you block the inside hind leg with the inside hand the horse cannot bring it up and under and may hop or switch leads to compensate. Try riding the canter with a bit of counter-flexion and be able to pat with the inside rein. See if the mare feels better when you do this. Not slamming you as a rider whatsoever, I just know that TBs like to talk us into holding them up with that inside rein!

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          • #6
            Originally posted by dwblover View Post
            Too much inside rein can sometimes cause this. If you block the inside hind leg with the inside hand the horse cannot bring it up and under and may hop or switch leads to compensate. Try riding the canter with a bit of counter-flexion and be able to pat with the inside rein. See if the mare feels better when you do this.
            Yes, and really send her in front of your leg. Forward, FORWARD. Bucking is an evasion of forward, so solve it by riding her very straight, and more forward then you would like.

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            • #7
              heels down shoulders back, you'll probably stay on that way

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              • #8
                Does he do it going into the canter from like the trot? Pony does that if the rider doesn't ask correctly but Trainer says for him to canter. Is he hopping into the canter or after your cantering for a bit? Transition bucking maybe he is evading or is not strong enough though with the consistent bucking I am doubting his strength.
                Adoring fan of A Fine Romance
                Originally Posted by alicen:
                What serious breeder would think that a horse at that performance level is push button? Even so, that's still a lot of buttons to push.

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                • #9
                  changes in mussles as he being brought back into work means you need to have a closer look at the saddle as this isnt fixed yet and the horse doesnt know how to tell you other than buck

                  it doesnt fit or he still has issues with his back one month isnt long enough if he had time out for back problem and if its related to the saddle as i think it is then he still has it
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                    #10
                    Thanks for your input so far guys. I'll double check that I'm not blocking him and try some counter flexion.

                    GLS, A saddle will only ever fit a horse perfectly the day it's fit to the horse. I don't believe in that hokey pokey idea that the saddle needs to be fit every three weeks while they're being legged up unless it' a young horse or a horse who has been out of work for ages. This horse simply has not changed dramatically in the last four weeks. He is a mature horse with mature muscles who did not waste away on the side of a hill while he was off.

                    My guess is a little that it's a learned behaviour and that possibly his stifles are weak and being stuck in the indoor isn't helping. However I really like this horse and if there is something I can do within reason, keep in mind that this horse has been looked over and over by vets saddle fitters X 3, massage, chiro, acupuncture, farrier etc., I will do it.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Hony View Post
                      Thanks for your input so far guys. I'll double check that I'm not blocking him and try some counter flexion.

                      GLS, A saddle will only ever fit a horse perfectly the day it's fit to the horse. I don't believe in that hokey pokey idea that the saddle needs to be fit every three weeks while they're being legged up unless it' a young horse or a horse who has been out of work for ages. This horse simply has not changed dramatically in the last four weeks. He is a mature horse with mature muscles who did not waste away on the side of a hill while he was off.

                      My guess is a little that it's a learned behaviour and that possibly his stifles are weak and being stuck in the indoor isn't helping. However I really like this horse and if there is something I can do within reason, keep in mind that this horse has been looked over and over by vets saddle fitters X 3, massage, chiro, acupuncture, farrier etc., I will do it.
                      then i surgest you look again as it will effect his way of going somepeople think hocks when its the back and a horse wont come under himself if he cant balance himself hence the sswapping of the legs and bucking as hes ot comfortable
                      you really need to look at the saddle didnt surgest every three weeks but what iam saying the hrose hasnt had long enough off with bad back or issues with his back
                      continous riding in ill fittign saddles make for a permenant damage to the back and some horses nevere recover dont be quick to blame him look at the equipment

                      quote you
                      Prior to this he had a sore back so attributed the bucking to this. His back is very sound now and his saddle fits really well.

                      this is the very 1st thing you should pay attention to as it doesnt fit him as hes still bucking get a saddle fitter out and perhaps give the horse more time off as obviously hes not ready for work

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                      • #12
                        I had an exrace horse that raced for 7 years. At the track they let him buck and thought it was proof of his spirit. Like your horse, he only bucked on the straightaways, as it is harder to stiffen into the buck on the arc. It didn't take long to untrain this habit, but if he had time off he would go back to bucking for the first while, with possibly a change thrown in.

                        Rather then wait to circle at either end, why not add a circle in the middle as well? Or 1/4 of the way down? Basically circle as soon as you feel any stiffness/tension in his back and before he thinks of bucking. Make sure you aren't pulling him around the circle though; if you are using too much inside rein in the circle he will have trouble balancing coming out of the circle.
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