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  • Originally posted by Tom Bloomer View Post
    No. The patent search returns only two patents assigned to Duckett; Dave. Neither of those resemble the Natural Balance shoe in the diagrams.
    Go figure.
    Did not turn up anything on "Natural Balance."
    The patent numbers have already been listed in this thread so looking them up shouldn't be a problem for you, right?
    The drawings in the patent I referenced are the only thing I could find that has an appearance similar to the natural balance shoe.
    It does??? To which Natural Balance shoe might that be? Be specific.
    I can't find a patent with Duckett and Ovnicek both listed as inventors or assignees. In fact I'm not sure that the NB shoe itself is patented.
    Your insecurity is duly noted and considered.
    More likely it is/was "protected" in some way by Duckett's patent, else he wouldn't get royalties.
    IOW, you're just guessing. Why am I not surprised?

    Regardless, since you are so much better acquainted with the legal system than I, perhaps you can explain to me why, on the foot surface of a steel NB shoe, at the toe, there is a sticker that reads: "U.S. Pat. Nos. 5,727,633 5,165,481 5,368,104"?




    Pat. No. 5368104: http://www.google.com/patents/about?...axy_is=&num=10

    Pat. No. 5165481: http://www.google.com/patents?as_q=&...=0&as_maxy_ap=

    Pat. No. 5727633: http://www.google.com/patents?as_q=&...=0&as_maxy_ap=

    Would now be a good time for the umpire to declare "Game, Set and Match?

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    • Originally posted by Rick Burten View Post
      Really? When and where did this alleged incident occur? At the time, what other task(s) was I engaged in?
      Day before the GPF clinc, 2006, Delaware. Three horses at the clinic location. You weren't doing anything except looking at the horses I pulled out of the paddock to show you.

      Perhaps you were. If the incident actually occurred, it would depend on the circumstances, wouldn't it?
      The circumstances were you didn't feel like looking at it or discussing it.

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      • Originally posted by Rick Burten View Post
        perhaps you can explain to me why, on the foot surface of a steel NB shoe, at the toe, there is a sticker that reads:
        Your numbers converted to links.

        "U.S. Pat. Nos.

        5,727,633
        - same as the one I gave in my posted link - a pad?

        5,185,481 - "Method for the separation of impurities from crude ethanol aqueous solution," perhaps this was a typo?

        5,368,104
        - Duckett's patent - not the NB shoe.

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        • Originally posted by Tom Bloomer View Post
          Day before the GPF clinc, 2006, Delaware. Three horses at the clinic location. You weren't doing anything except looking at the horses I pulled out of the paddock to show you.
          Ah, as noted, your memory is amazing. One question, If I was looking at the horses why would I not also look at their feet? Especially considering why I was there? Me thinks that time, distance and circumstance has influenced/colored your recollections.
          The circumstances were you didn't feel like looking at it or discussing it.
          Considering my demonstrable verboseness and loquacious nature with both the written and spoken word, that seems rather far out of character for me which leads to the inevitable conclusion that 'your story just don't jibe'.

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          • Originally posted by Tom Bloomer View Post
            Your numbers converted to links.

            "U.S. Pat. Nos. [B]


            5,185,481 - "Method for the separation of impurities from crude ethanol aqueous solution," perhaps this was a typo?
            Indeed it was a typo which I went back and corrected.

            The point being that Duckett and Ovnicek's patents appear together on an NB product. The ramifications and implications of which I leave to your critical analysis, such as it is.

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            • Last trimmed in early December, 2010. Photos taken 10 minutes ago.

              http://blackburnforge.com/images/P080311001.JPG

              http://blackburnforge.com/images/P080311001.JPG

              This is typical, but hardly an absolute, example of "normal" hoof wear for my sandpile. I suppose I could have supplied a straight edge and a feeler gage, but frankly it just isn't worth the trouble.

              Perhaps this "un-natural, natural wear" results from my horse's failure to follow NB guidelines.

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              • Originally posted by Rick Burten View Post
                The point being that Duckett and Ovnicek's patents appear together on an NB product. The ramifications and implications of which I leave to your critical analysis, such as it is.
                My point was that particular NB product does not appear in the patents, though Duckett's breakover point and how it is derived is clearly described and illustrated.

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                • Originally posted by Tom Bloomer View Post
                  Perhaps this "un-natural, natural wear" results from my horse's failure to follow NB guidelines.
                  Well, its hard to determine just what that hoof is doing based on one oblique photo. However, if my eyes aren't deceiving me and that is a crack in the wall in the quarters area, then your horse is indeed trying to follow NB principles/guidelines. Its just taking him a while to get to where he really wants/needs to be. Of course, that photo also doesn't reveal what the horse is doing/has done with breakover location relative to the toe, and what the sole mass proportions are, and where the widest part of the sole is located, or where the COA is located, etc ad naseum. IOW that photo substantiates nothing you've claimed. Go figure.....

                  By the way, congratulations on your[less than adroit] segue away from discussing the Duckett/Ovnicek patent issue(s) and my alleged misdeeds at the 2006 clinic/gathering.

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                  • Originally posted by Tom Bloomer View Post
                    My point was that particular NB product does not appear in the patents, though Duckett's breakover point and how it is derived is clearly described and illustrated.
                    Being the acknowledged patent guru that you are, you must have some insight(s) as to why those particular patents appear on that particular shoe(I haven't checked other NB shoe versions in my inventory, but I seem to recall that there is a patent sticker on the aluminum ones too). Regardless, the presence on both Ducket' patent numbers and Ovnicek's patent numbers serve to refute at least some of the [spurious?] claims, assertions and allegations you have made.

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                    • Originally posted by Rick Burten View Post
                      Being the acknowledged patent guru that you are, you must have some insight(s) as to why those particular patents appear on that particular shoe . . .
                      For a comprehensive explanation you can start by reading this. http://www.uspto.gov/

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                      • Originally posted by Tom Bloomer View Post
                        For a comprehensive explanation you can start by reading this. http://www.uspto.gov/
                        How disappointing. I thought you would jump on the opportunity to impress us with your ability to mentor us on a subject with which you seem so thoroughly familiar.
                        Or is it that you yourself don't have the answers and rather than admit your failing/shortcomings, you choose to obfuscate?

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                        • As the discussion is now primarily dominated by two users, who are resorting to personal commentary, we're closing the thread. We've removed a couple of recent posts.

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