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2 1/2 yr old 12hh pony pregnant by small horse...

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  • 2 1/2 yr old 12hh pony pregnant by small horse...

    I have just saved an 11.3hh pony filly who was beat up and impregnated by one of two possibl studs... both around 15hh...

    She is 2.5 yrs old byher teeth (only has one lower permanent tooth) and seems to be in her last trimester. She was in very bad health when she was attacked and since has gained weight- but not enough. She also was kicked in the jaw by him and wither fractured it right by her chin, or has an abcessed tooth... WHICH we cannot look or x-ray until she has the baby...

    I just took her to the vets yesterday and got her all her shots, coggins and had blood work done to see how far along she is. I did feel the baby kicking yesterday though- so it is alive. Her bag is completly flat- concerns me...

    What should I be concerned with most of all? I have her on Ultium Growth and alfalfa cubes now and all the hay she wants. She has a cute new pink blanket too- I feel SO bad for this little pony! Please, any thoughts would help!

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    Jingles for the little mare and kudos to you for getting her out of that situation.
    Adoring fan of A Fine Romance
    Originally Posted by alicen:
    What serious breeder would think that a horse at that performance level is push button? Even so, that's still a lot of buttons to push.

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    • #3
      OMG, that poor little baby. What did the vet say about the pregnancy and delivery? I would be worried about her being able to deliver it if it is a big foal. Did the vet try to determine how big the foal is? Maybe she's not really that far along; maybe the foal is just big. That might explain the lack of bag. Are you close to a vet hospital if she needs a c-section?

      Other than that I would just feed her well with a brood mare feed; maybe supplemental vitamins/minerals so she can have some and not have it all go to the baby. You said you think her jaw is broken. Can she eat alright? Does she need her feed sloppy wet? If she can't eat hay well, soaked hay pellets and/or beet pulp can be substituted.

      Bless you for helping her.
      "The captive bolt is not a proper tool for slaughter of equids they regain consciousness 30 seconds after being struck fully aware they are being vivisected." Dr Friedlander DVM & frmr Chief USDA Insp

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      • #4
        Originally posted by ptownevt View Post
        OMG, that poor little baby. What did the vet say about the pregnancy and delivery? I would be worried about her being able to deliver it if it is a big foal. Did the vet try to determine how big the foal is? Maybe she's not really that far along; maybe the foal is just big. That might explain the lack of bag. Are you close to a vet hospital if she needs a c-section?

        Other than that I would just feed her well with a brood mare feed; maybe supplemental vitamins/minerals so she can have some and not have it all go to the baby. You said you think her jaw is broken. Can she eat alright? Does she need her feed sloppy wet? If she can't eat hay well, soaked hay pellets and/or beet pulp can be substituted.

        Bless you for helping her.
        The mare determines the size of the foal while in utero......they experimented and breed clydesdale stallions to sheltand poines and had no delivery problems.......but the foal quickly becomes bigger than its mother once born.

        Her belly may look bigger due to the fact that she is malnourished........I would just keep and eye on her bag and try and have someone with experience close by to help if there are complications.

        Good luck

        Dalemma

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        • #5
          Ok, I demand pictures of her in a pink blanket!

          Bless you for rescuing this little girl and HER little girl (or boy)

          I would not be concerned *at all* about lack of udder development right now. So many mares don't bag up until they foal, or within hours before foaling, some back up weeks in advance and recede, etc.
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          • #6
            You totally broke COTH rules by not posting a picture.

            I'd say "good for you for helping her" but you are cruelly withholding cute pictures from us!!!!!!

            I have also read plenty of info about how the mare determines the size of the foal in-utero. That said, I'd be worried too....that's just how we all are when we care. Keep a close eye on her and hang in there!

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            • #7
              I agree that we need to see a picture and THANK YOU for getting her out of a bad situation and trying to help her ! Hopefully your vet can give you more information about how far along she is and what she needs now. But it sounds like you are doing all you can. I have also heard the size of the mare will dictate the foal's size at birth, but it's normal to worry about all the things that can go wrong. . . I've raised a couple Thankfully trouble free, but if you have no experience with foaling start reading - there's lots of books and online info on the subject. Keep us informed - I haven't had a foal in a few years so love hearing about them !

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              • #8
                If she has any handling issues, feet trimming issues, etc. work on those now so they are solid by the time the baby arrives. I would be tempted to pull a CBC/Chem panel after you've had her a month or so to make sure everything is under control.

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                • #9
                  bless you is right! what a huge heart you have! and jingles for her an her baby.
                  Being terrible at something is the first step to being truly great at it. Struggle is the evidence of progress.

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                  • #10
                    I'm confused as to why she can't have a jaw X-ray when pregnant?

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                    • #11
                      If you are thinking she is getting close to delivery and still no bag it is possible that she is to malnourished to spend any extra calories by producing milk pre-baby. I would make sure to have a milk supplement and bottles on hand though in case she delivers and doesn't have enough milk for the foal. Not to mention if she is malnourished a bit of supplementing the milk will also help her continue to flourish while providing the foal with the intake it requires as well. Just food for thought.

                      Also never heard of an issue x-raying animals while pregnant. They will even x-ray humans if they believe there are fractures.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by alto View Post
                        I'm confused as to why she can't have a jaw X-ray when pregnant?
                        Probbly becuse mny horses hve to be sedated to be x-rayed. The vet likely doesn't want to sedte a pregnnt mre.

                        yes, my A key is messed up.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Hampton Bay View Post
                          yes, my A key is messed up.
                          *snork*

                          One of my old work laptops had the I, O, and T keys get really, really sticky, and as I write documents for a living, you can imagine how much fun that was!
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                          • #14
                            Hate to rain on the parade, but a pony that young can have serious problems with the size of the foal. Not usually, but it is possible. A pony mare that lived down the road from my house, was bred as a 2 year old. She was about 13 hands and very dainty. She was bred by a 16.2 hand TW. colt. She got huge and started foaling on a super hot June day, in the middle of a field with no shade, far away from water. She was there for 3 days before she was put down after pushing out a monster dead foal. The vet said she might have broken something in her back. We felt so bad for her, the owners were idiots and took her water a couple of times and a little hay. She was alert and trying to get up and eat. I took feed down to her several times and tried to help, but there was nothing to be done for her. Lots of people called animal control and they took action and helped get the vet out to put her down. I'm really not trying to scare you, but you need to be prepared for complications. I will never forget how pissed I was that a sweet little mare died because the owners allowed her to be bred that young by a colt that big and then let her suffer. At least your little girl will have educated help. I wish you all the best!! Keep us posted.
                            Just cause you move to Texas, doesn't mean you are a Texan. After all, if a cat puts her kittens in the oven, It doesn't make them Bisquits.

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                            • #15
                              Well, sounds like a you have her on a quality grain. I love Calf Manna for broodmares. Seems to plump them up & put a wonderful glow on them. You use this in addition to any 'grain' they may be getting. Old fashioned, but does the trick.

                              Let's hope her age does her favors in labor. And yes, please, handle this mare so she trusts you now. She may either be over-protective of her foal, or try to kill it. You need to be able to handle her. Keep a halter on her when she foals. Reserpine can be used for milk let-down & obviously, sedation.

                              Most foalings go well. Get her plump, her pre-foaling vaccines, and ask any questions. Lots of people on this board with a lot of breeding expertise

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                              • #16
                                prayers for this baby girl and her baby

                                Bless you for taking her

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                                • #17
                                  SHELBIE UPDATE!!!!

                                  UPDATE!!!

                                  Shelbie is doing great! She LOVES treats now, all kinds!

                                  Her Pink Blankie hasn't arrives yet- I have tons of pics and will post some soon! I have a bunch on Facebook, but it is set to "friends only."

                                  Okay, So she got ALL of her shots, and pregnancy blood work done. We should know how far along she is this week.

                                  GREAT NEWS! I have gotten in contact with the lady who has the studs- She said one is 14.1 3/4hh full grown and other stands at 13.1! YIPPPEEEEE!!!!

                                  I also found out about her past! Her mom is 1/2 POA (B Muscle) and 1/2 APHA (Absolut Classic). She is 13.2hh I believe. Here dad is APHA out of a Whimpy...

                                  She was more than likely bred June/July... So we have time! She is just little. She is getting her feet done Tuesday morning. She is doing great with picking them up now! She is a funny little thing. Has a funny whinny too!

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                                  • #18
                                    Thanks for the update. That's good news about the possible sires, but I wouldn't rest easy quite yet. She is still pretty young and has had a rough time, physically and nutritionally. A couple of precautions will go a long way.

                                    First, if there is any indication that she has been exposed to fescue, please have some Domperidone on hand. Aside from the possibilities of red bag delivery (which is very, very risky in itself), fescue can also delay delivery significantly. The longer the delay, the larger the baby gets - and she is likely not full grown herself yet. Domperidone can also help ensure she produces colostrum. Just don't give it too early.

                                    Bless you for taking on this pony mare. She is quite lucky to have found an advocate and a safe place to land.

                                    SCFarm
                                    The above post is an opinion, just an opinion. If it were a real live fact it would include supporting links to websites full of people who already agreed with me.

                                    www.southern-cross-farm.com

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                                    • #19
                                      If she's not "due" until My or June though, there is plenty of time to remove her from fescue. I've been told to remove it for the lst 90 dys before the "due" dte.

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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by Hampton Bay View Post
                                        If she's not "due" until My or June though, there is plenty of time to remove her from fescue. I've been told to remove it for the lst 90 dys before the "due" dte.
                                        This, but with the a's inserted! My farm is mostly fescue, and I just feed non-fescue hay (orchardgrass if I can find it, or alfalfa) the last 60-90 days of gestation. They still nibble what little fescue is growing in their paddocks- most of the endophyte is concentrated in the seed head so new growth isn't really a problem.

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