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How long before the hind leg he is hopping on founders? (mother of all abscesses)

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  • How long before the hind leg he is hopping on founders? (mother of all abscesses)

    It's Thursday afternoon, and my neurotic TB has been hopping on three legs since early Tuesday morning. He will not bear weight on the left hind, and he will not lie down. He has even learned how to pace on three legs. I am worried about the right hind.

    So far the farrier and vet have come out, poked around and did not get anything to drain. Vet got x-rays last night and he can see the tract and the pus pocket -- it's deep up in the toe area.

    I am soaking and poulticing, but not optimistic that this will help anytime soon, because of the depth. Vet says he'll come back out tomorrow if he's not better and try to get it drained.

    I am half tempted to shove Hopalong onto the trailer and haul him to a hospital, except for the fact that my truck is in the shop and I don't know how I would ever get him on the trailer (his nick-name is Douche Bag for a reason) or, for that matter, OFF the trailer.

    As I said, I am really worried about the other hind hoof. How long can he possibly keep this up? I am worried about the Douche Bag.
    Last edited by LarkspurCO; Jan. 29, 2011, 11:12 AM.

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    I wouldnt let the vet get TOO agressive trying to drain it! And a horse can go for much longer than two days before they founder in the opposite foot, think more like weeks here. No need to hospitalize for an abcess generally speaking unless the coffin bone gets involved. I would 1) keep him on bute 2) give him ulcer meds to prevent ulcers 3) give him PLENTY of turnout, moving around is GOOD for abcesses 4) poultice if you can and 5) dont worry so much!
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    • #3
      My boy was non weight bearing for about 1.5 months. I ended up bringing him to the hospital to be slung because it was a lot more than an abscess, but in the meantime my SO (who's a DVM, but pathologist) did some research into supporting limb laminitis and it says that it actually usually takes a few weeks for it to occur. (every horse is different, though)

      If you're really concerned, there are boots you can buy to lift the heel and relieve the pressure that have been very well-received. I borrowed two from a friend for my boy when he was in the hospital as a "backup" to the sling

      http://www.nanric.com/
      http://www.nanric.com/pdf/preventing..._laminitis.pdf

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      • #4
        Can you ice the RH foot? Check with your vet first, but I've seen that done commonly in early laminitis/prone to laminitis cases.

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        • #5
          My girl was on 3 legs for about 2 weeks then not fully weight bearing for probably another 2 weeks. She did have minor laminitis we found out when she had a ring grow out of her hoof. We had a good idea that she did at the time but there wasn't too much more we could do than we weren't doing.

          The different thing about her than your boy is that she would lie down. I turned her out at night because she won't lie down in stalls, but will lie down outside. Plus our "soil" is sugar sand, so its very soft and she would think about at least putting a little weight on it also would help relieve the right hind. O also, surpass on the coronary bands a couple times a day to help reduce inflammation in the RH.

          My farrier took a frog support pad and cut it in half and we wrapped it in the wrap with her foot on the heel area so she could get some relief and stand on it some what. This did help a lot!

          This started a string of nasty abscesses in her LH which we later determine was from the shoes we put on her to correct the flare that we though caused the original abscess. Thats a whole long story that once I finally made the connection, we pulled the hind shoes and haven't had an issue. I wish she could wear hind shoes because it would help support her hind end, but no she doesn't want them. She is the weirdest mare ever. She tells us how to do her feet and as long as we listen she behaves.


          Good Luck! Hind abscess suck. What finally got her to pop was some good old ichthammol. I had been soaking as much as she would allow and wrapping with magna paste(espon salt poltice) when I switched to ichthammol that did the trick.
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          • #6
            www.soft-ride.com

            They really are exceptional. And I learned about them from eventgroupie's thread on her Willie.
            My vet now has a lot of horses with hoof issues and injuries in them.

            And they will overnight them if you call the lady at the website. I got mine on a Saturday almost a year ago.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by cloudyandcallie View Post
              www.soft-ride.com

              They really are exceptional. And I learned about them from eventgroupie's thread on her Willie.
              My vet now has a lot of horses with hoof issues and injuries in them.

              And they will overnight them if you call the lady at the website. I got mine on a Saturday almost a year ago.
              they worked for my mare also

              plus dental impression material/play-doh (depending on which vet) in the heel
              Nothing says "I love you" like a tractor. (Clydejumper)

              The reports states, Elizabeth reported that she accidently put down this pony, ........, at the show.

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                OK, I will not freak out yet. My farrier and vet both are worried about the opposite hind. Remember, he is a Douche Bag and is capable of almost anything and can self-destruct in various ways. I keep checking the opposite hoof and it's a bit warm but the pulse is normal.

                At this point I cannot get anything on the right hind. He will not lift it up because he will not put weight on the other hoof. I have a Soft Ride boot but I think it's too small for him. I have other boots I could put foam in and I have blue styofoam, but I would not be able to get any of that on him at this point.

                I did turn him out but since he won't put weight on the abscess hoof, I don't know how the movement will help. He does have a sand pit out there I am hoping he will at least stand in, or possibly lie in, if only for a few minutes.

                Oh, and he will not eat Bute. He will wear it, but he will not eat it. I did manage by some stroke of horse-wrestling luck to spooge a bit into his mouth last night, then made him stand for 15 minutes to keep him from spitting it out. He still spit it out. I have pulled muscles from trying to Bute him this morning.

                fyi, I am poulticing with Animalintex, soaking in mag salts.

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                • #9
                  you want two boots so he will be even

                  you can have vet do a temp. block on bad foot in order to put them on

                  they can be in them 24/7 -- my mare wore her's for months, only taken off to treat bad foot, x-ray, etc

                  as for bute, get paste and the worming bit http://www.drsfostersmith.com/produc...m?pcatid=16163
                  Nothing says "I love you" like a tractor. (Clydejumper)

                  The reports states, Elizabeth reported that she accidently put down this pony, ........, at the show.

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                    #10
                    Ah, now that's an idea -- block the bad foot. If we do that my farrier will shoe him.

                    Thanks for the suggestion on the Easy Wormer. I might go ahead and order one of those, but I might break my arm trying to get in on him.

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                    • #11
                      My gelding badly bowed a front leg tendon last year and was non-weight-bearing lame on it for 10 days. He did lay down a great deal though. At that point the vet said we were "at the limit" for supporting limb laminitis.

                      Because of this, we had to get very creative for pain control. Vet and I tried low doses of banamine, which helped enough that the horse would bear some weight on the damaged leg. It was a real juggling act as banamine is not something you do for days on end.

                      What helped my horse was to keep him bedded in fairly deep, supportive shavings as they give sole/frog support (like you'd do with a founder). Since we couldn't get a frog support pad on him, this was the best we could come up with. Also kept a stable bandage on the good leg.

                      Can you get aggressive with pain control? Nerve block the bad foot? Previcox or injections of bute/banamine?

                      Good luck. Abscesses are such a drag.

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                      • #12
                        Flavored Bute powder. And the Nanric boots (Ultimates) are amazing. I'm convinced they saved my horses life.
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                        • #13
                          I would bute........take away the pain and he will start weight bearing/walking which will encourage the abcess to come to the surface.

                          I had to syringe antibiotics on a difficult mare ......once I started adding maple syrup there was far less of a struggle......put some maple syrup on the outside of the syringe too and just rest the syringe along side his lips and let him relax...remove, treat and repeat.....once you have him relaxed then very quikly poke it up the side of his cheek and push the plunger.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by cloudyandcallie View Post
                            www.soft-ride.com

                            They really are exceptional. And I learned about them from eventgroupie's thread on her Willie.
                            My vet now has a lot of horses with hoof issues and injuries in them.

                            And they will overnight them if you call the lady at the website. I got mine on a Saturday almost a year ago.
                            Have used these on a few occasions and agree, they really are super.
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                            • #15
                              No need to lift the good hind foot to ice it. Get an ice pack or frozen bag of peas and duct tape it inside an XL bell boot- then just velcro the bell boot on.

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                              • #16
                                I've never personally tried it, but told by a trusted horsewoman that it works!

                                Soaking abcess in "steamed" flax seeds I guess will pop that sucker out and give loads of relief. She said to buy some in bulk, boil them and place into a soaking boot or IV bag(to be used as a boot) and VOILA!

                                Can't hurt to try?

                                ETA: The vet clinic around here recommends filling a lady's stocking with ice and tie, loosely around the pastern of the non damaged hoof. This will provide some relief w/o killing your back or making him use bad foot.

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                                  #17
                                  Flax seeds...boiling them releases the mucilage (slime). Is that a drawing agent?

                                  I have located the "Easy Wormer" at a local shop. I'm going to try it, but I bet it won't be "easy."

                                  The vet has drop-shipped flavored bute to arrive tomorrow, although it's pointless because he won't willingly eat it. It will have to be force-fed, one way or another.

                                  Shots are not an option.

                                  I asked about blocking the bad hoof --vet thinks the possibility is remote. He knows the Douche Bag too well. This is a horse that has fired himself from more than one vet and farrier.

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                                  • #18
                                    Sigh.....
                                    As a veteran of an Abcess-From-H-E-doublehockeysticks myself I can recommend MistyBlue's (or was it Bluey's?) suggestion to wrap the foot in a Thermacare pad, then vetwrap it in place.
                                    Sticks great and keeps mild heat on the area for 8 hours!

                                    Your vet can phone or fax in a script for flavored bute powder to:
                                    http://www.wicklifferx.com/

                                    Comes in apple, orange & molasses flavors and passed the Vernon
                                    Who Poisoned My Feed? test with flying colors.

                                    Hope your DB pony is better ASAP!
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                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by 2DogsFarm View Post
                                      Sigh.....
                                      As a veteran of an Abcess-From-H-E-doublehockeysticks myself I can recommend MistyBlue's (or was it Bluey's?) suggestion to wrap the foot in a Thermacare pad, then vetwrap it in place.
                                      Sticks great and keeps mild heat on the area for 8 hours!
                                      This sounds vaguely familiar. Do you get the pads from a drug store?

                                      Your vet can phone or fax in a script for flavored bute powder to:
                                      http://www.wicklifferx.com/

                                      Comes in apple, orange & molasses flavors and passed the Vernon
                                      Who Poisoned My Feed? test with flying colors.
                                      My other horses will eat this, but DB refuses any grain of any kind when he is sick. He'll eat hay and drink water all day, but won't touch the grain. He says, "Nope, I'm sick, can't eat that. Need fiber and fluids, fiber and fluids, fiber and fluids."

                                      Hope your DB pony is better ASAP!
                                      Thank you.

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                                      • #20
                                        What about trying some previcox in the mean time, I have one who won't touch meds and since it's only 1/4 of a tablet, I just shove it down his mouth with my hand....and if you really do decide you need to get him to the vet, I am fairly local to you in Colorado, have an F350 and a huge, 2 horse slant, that I can pull the divider out, it's 7'6 tall with a ramp, if you really need a ride to the vets, call me and we can figure something out. I've yet to have a horse not load in it.
                                        Last edited by Colorado Eventer; Jan. 27, 2011, 05:51 PM. Reason: spelling error

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