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Purina Ultium or Improved Triple Crown Complete?

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  • Purina Ultium or Improved Triple Crown Complete?

    I'm tired of having to soak beet pulp every day, feed 10 lbs of the Smart Carb (low sugar, less crazies) pellets, with the beet pulp, plus 2 scoops am and pm of Cool Calories. Soooo I'm looking for a new feed with more fat. Did some research at the expo this past weekend and came up with 2 choices that my local feed store carries. The one I am leaning towards is Purina Ultium, since she has always been on pellets. It's a little pricy so my second choice is the new and improved Triple Crown Complete. They added more fat and protein. What experience has anyone had with these feeds? They are both supposed to have fairly low sugar levels, to keep down the crazies from high feed. And for the Purina rewards program, what kind of copons do you usually get from that? Thanks guys!

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    I haven't used the Triple Crown feeds, but I have used Ultium. I loved it on my old TB. On most other feeds she was absolutely uncontrollable, but once on Ultium turned into a babysitter. That's my experience.
    \"In all manners of opinion, our adversaries are insane.\" Mark Twain

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    • #3
      Hopefully they made the Triple Crown Complete more palatable when they reformulated it.

      I've known 2 very greedy ponies who were put on Triple Crown 30%, and both refused to eat it.

      One was moved over to Blue Seal Sunshine Pellets, and she is back to being a complete Miss Piggy again when it comes to her food.

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      • #4
        My horse did very poorly, lost weight & went through the roof on Ultium. He didn't like to eat it, either.

        I love TC Senior, off to go look at the'new' TC Complete...

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        • #5
          I love TC Senior. Picky horse loves it.

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          • #6
            I moved my horse for a summer and switched him from TC to Ultium while I was gone (3 months?) because that's what I could get. My horse isn't a terribly difficult keeper and I saw no change, but my husband's horse is a calorie-burning machine and just seems to do better on the Ultium. I also like the pelleted feed better. They are very comparable feeds, but overall I think the Ultium is a little higher quality, and it does have slightly more fat and protein than the TC. I also want to say the Ultium has slightly less sugar, but don't quote me on that.
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            • #7
              TC hands down. The quality of the feed is better and so is the price. TC has a guaranteed ingredient list (this also goes for their Legend and redone Reliance line). I've never had a horse turn his nose up at Complete. It's a high fiber sweet/pelleted mix with a very good NSC level comparable to what you'd see in Ultium. Senior is a bit lower in the carbs, but if your horse isn't sensitive to sugars either feed should be fine.

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              • #8
                TC for sure! I had my mare on Ultium for about two years. There would be times she would go off the feed and it was very hard to get her back on. I know several horses who have this same problem with Ultium. She is now on TC Complete and LOVES it! It even looks yummy to me! She seems to have kept weight on better as she has gotten more fit. Love TC

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                • #9
                  I had my gelding on Ultium for a while and while he's not a "picky" eater he would occasionally start eating only a portion of his grain and then leaving it until later. I switched him to TC Training formula and haven't had an issue since.

                  I was also given a large baggie of TC Senior as a sample and all three of my boys (15 yr old lawn ornament, 9 yr old trail horse and 7 yr old show horse) all LOVE it. I now give them all a cup full with their ration balancer pellets as a treat because they glare at me when they don't get it. I figure it won't hurt anything and makes all of us happy.
                  It's not about the color of the ribbon but the quality of the ride. Having said that, I'd like the blue one please!

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                  • #10
                    We've fed both and overall prefer the Ultium. TC did not keep weight on our very hard keeper mare and Ultium did. However, one of our horses had to be peeled off the ceiling of the barn when on Ultium. It truly made her nuts!

                    We have had very good luck feeding Amplify as a supplement. It keeps weight on our hard keepers and no one has gone insane.
                    A horse may be coaxed to drink, but a pencil must be lead.

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                    • #11
                      I loved Ultium for the 2-3 years I fed it. I was VERY reluctant to switch. It was great at putting weight on and maintaining my (then) hard keeper. Unfortunately after about 2-3 years, he stopped eating it. At the time he was transitioning into the easy keeper lifestyle so I switched him to the same high quality, locally milled feed the my barn feeds (which is formulated for easy keepers and fat kids).

                      While struggling with the decision to switch to a new feed, I asked my nutrition professor for advice and why my horse would stop eating his food. She's fairly reknowned in her field so I trust her opinion. She said that it's common for horses to eat high-fat/high-fiber feeds like Ultium and up and decide after a while to stop eating them.

                      The same thing happened with my other horse on a high-fat/high-fiber textured sweet feed (McCauley Brothers Top Ten), except it took him a lot less time to decide to stop eating. He ate it really well for a month or so, after which he refused to hardly even clean up half of his portion. I switched him to a high-fat oat-based pellet which he loves (McCauley's Top Breeder).

                      I've fed my horses anything from high-fat/high-fiber feeds to high-fat oat-based feeds to low-fat oat-based feeds to just a balancer pellet and I've never noticed any sort of change in their energy levels or "hotness". I kind of feel like it's more of a rider perception thing.

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                      • #12
                        There is really no right or wrong answer here. I love TC. I used it successfully for years. That said, I've heard very good things about the Ultium too. My old horse didn't like the taste of Ultium. I had a friend say their horse didn't like the taste of TC. Ultimately, a feed is only good if you can get your horse to eat it.

                        Both are quality feeds. I believe Ultium might be easier to find on the road if you plan to do much travelling, so that's one thing to keep in mind. See if your horse has a big preference for one or the other. Otherwise, toss a coin and see if what you buy works for your horse.
                        The rebel in the grey shirt

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                        • #13
                          I had a TB on the triple crown complete... he went to my trainers for a week I got a phone call... "Why are you feeding an already hot TB feed that is half sugar!" oops. This was several years ago so i dont know about the reformulated feed... all our guys are on Nutrena Safe Choice and I have been really happy with it, but everyone is a pretty easy keeper in terms of keeping weight on them.

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                          • #14
                            I feed Ultium and am quite happy with it on my 4 year TB in regular work. He is very sensitive to NCS content and Strategey at 28% was a problem behavior-wize.

                            The TC Complete is at 21.7% NCS which isn't bad, but the Ultium is lower at close to 17%. (fyi: TC Senior 16%)

                            Both are good feeds, but if you know you have behavior issues related to sugar content I would for sure try the Ultium first. I know people knock Purina but I've been very happy with their feeds and like the commitment the company has to research. (I also feed the WellSolve Low Starch.)

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                            • #15
                              TC Senior is actually 11.7 % NSC.

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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by goodmorning View Post
                                TC Senior is actually 11.7 % NSC.
                                I got my info from the Yahoo Cushings group. I'd love to know your source as it may be more updated than mine!

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                                • #17
                                  TC has it on their website - it is recent as they have updated several formulas in the past year or so. Yes, I trust their website as they are a reputable company & it'd be an easy myth to debunk as anyone could have it tested.

                                  I wish the yahoo group would update their page, as several of the grains listed have lower NSC levels or have been reforulated or renamed.

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                                  • #18
                                    And while were at it, can someone tell me what the minimum amount of grain is for an average horse, in order for them to get the correct amount of vitamins and minerals. Triple Crown senior for example.

                                    A lot of people feed tiny amounts and don't understand that the horse is not getting the amount necesssary for him or her.
                                    RIP Kelly 1977-2007 "Wither thou goest, so shall I"

                                    "To tilt when you should withdraw is Knightly too."

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                                    • #19
                                      I've fed both, and on each the horses did well, looked good and maintained condition and sanity.

                                      However, the picky eaters would go off the Ultium often and one mare with ulcer problems had FAR fewer symptoms on TC.

                                      Over all I like the whole TC line of feeds better than Purina, but TC prices in Texas are steep, I'm assuming from shipping... so I switched when I moved down here. I now feed the new Strategy Healthy Edge and am happy with it.

                                      Comparable quality feeds, try em and see which is a better fit for your ponies.

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                                      • #20
                                        I feel your pain. I got tired of soaking bp and switched to TC complete. My new tb was quite thin when I got him and he is looking great now. He is and remains pretty quiet under tack. I was thinking of going back to bp once winter is over, because it is so much cheaper.

                                        55, the recommended amounts are on the bag. Mine get less, and I give a proportionate amount of vit/min supplement.

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